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to: Antti Kurenniemi
from: Adam Flinton
date: 2004-08-10 13:42:22
subject: Re: The EU Atheist Sloth Ethic

From: Adam Flinton 

Antti Kurenniemi wrote:

> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
> news:41158d8a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>>>I'm not British, but I have a possible explanation as for myself at
>
> least:
>
>>>Beliefs schmeliefs, I mean, what the hell, I'll
"believe" anything to
>
> stay
>
>>>alive. Hello, I'll believe something else tomorrow, after whatever
>>
>>threatens
>>
>>>me is gone.
>>
>>That's how Europe and many European Jews embraced Nazism, with just that
>>kind of thinking.  You may be on your way there again.  I certainly hope
>>not, but if there isn't anything worth fighting and dying for, then it
>
> just
>
>>takes a madman with some goons to make slaves out of you all once again.
>
>
> How do you guys always go to the extremes like this? Where the hell did I
> say there isn't *anything* worth fighting for? I never said that, and I
> never ever would agree with that. There most certainly are things to fight
> for, even die for, I just said that to me, such a thing as
"beliefs" is not
> one of them. Hell, I change my mind about what I believe in all the time
> (well not really but could just as well - it's all just in my head).
>
>
>
>>Better think about it.
>
>
> No you better think about it. Beliefs are abstract, they're nothing real.
> They may as well prove to be wrong. You'd kill and die for something that
> tomorrow may turn out to have been complete crap? Think about it.
>
>

& beliefs can be totally wrong. People died coz others believed the
earth was at the center of the universe & the sun, venus, mars etc etc
went round it.

People being willing to die for their beliefs is not something I have a
problem with. What I have a problem with is people being willing to kill
for their beliefs.

Adam

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