WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about lucy and keyed into cyberspace:
WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=-
WY> MP> Let's try for some intelligent dialogue.
WY>A good turn around for you, I like nothing better.
You raised false hopes. Shame on you.
WY> MP> I'll ignore your last comments...
WY>What? My concerns for your son?
WY> WY> -=> Quoting Mark Probert to Wayne Young <=-
WY> WY> WY> JL> Karl Marx was using "opium" as a metaphor...So was
WY> WY> WY> JL> Huxley...Opium, here is given as a metaphor for all mind
WY> WY> WY> JL> alterants...Marx said that if you gave the people their
WY> WY> WY> JL> religion they would be oblivious to all else and thus
WY> WY> WY> JL> could run the state without opposition. 
WY> WY> WY>It is subject to interpretation, Jason, but Marx and his
WY> WY> WY>subsequent government banned pretty well all forms of
WY> WY> WY>religion except perhaps communism which really is a doctrine.
WY> WY> MP> Not quite. The communism practiced in the USSR provided for
WY> WY> MP> the  religious needs of the people.
WY> WY>I don't think you understand what you're saying:
WY> WY>Religion is largely a free personal choice - you can go to church
WY> WY>freely without consequences;
WY> WY>In USSR, communism was regimented.
WY> MP> I certainly do understand what I am saying. I am speaking from
WY> MP> intimate  personal knowledge of the USSR as I was posted to
WY> MP> Moscow on two separate  occasions. The KGB, and its predecessors
WY> MP> provided the Russian Orthodox  Church as a religious outlet for
WY> MP> the masses, as it was a means to  control the masses.
WY>That's not an intelligent dialogue... Very FEW Russians go to
WY>church! Perhaps you were posted to Siberlia, not Moscow?
WY> MP> EVERY priest was an card carrying
WY> MP> member of the KGB. 
WY>Are you saying you're an ex-KGB??
WY> WY> MP> In fact,the Russian Orthodox Church,
WY> WY> MP> the  only "legal" church, was a full chief directorate of
WY> WY> MP> the KGB (the 
WY> WY>Think about THAT again!
WY> WY>Did you borrow your data base from Alan?
WY> MP> No, personal experience, US State Department briefings, and, if
WY>you 
WY>The US State Dept was briefing you, an ex-KGB???
WY>Now you're a double agent?
WY>What are you smoking?
WY> MP> have  a decent library near you, try to get your hands on a book
WY> MP> about eh KGB.  I suggest "Tower of Secrets" by a KGB LtC who
WY> MP> defected in one of the  finest intelligence operations conducted
WY> MP> by the CIA. 
WY>Authored by CIA, sold under KGB for improved sales?
WY>Just to prove to you I have an open mind, I'll look for it.
WY>Did you read about CIA trying to do away with Castro?
WY> WY>The church under Stalin ran pretty well underground, they can't
WY> WY>say anything contrary to the State doctrine.
WY> MP> Of course the Church did not say anything contrary to the State 
WY> MP> doctrine. The Church WAS the State.
WY>Holy Moses, are you all right, Mark?
WY>Are you talking about the Vatica or the USSR???
WY>Take a deep breath and see what you're saying!
WY>You begin to talk like Alan.
WY> WY> MP> 10th).  So, if Marxist thinking says that religion is the
WY> WY> MP> opiate of the people,  then the KGB was a bunch of drug
WY> WY> MP> runners. 
WY> WY>Yes, almost like the Brits in the Opium War.
WY> MP> Communists were not stupid. If something worked, they used it.
WY>No, but the Brits are not Communists.
WY>The Brits use anything, including opium to murder thousands.
WY> WY> WY>Israel is probably one of the most religious, yet its leader
WY> WY> WY>was gunned down in public...
WY> WY> MP> Judaism is different, because it is individual oriented.
WY> WY>You will never find a more cohesive group of people than the
WY> WY>Jewish people. The only group that come close is the Japanese.
WY> WY>So don't say they are individualistic.
WY> MP> I am Jewish. You are so wrong. I wish you were right. But you
WY> MP> are not. One group of Orthodox Rabbis just declared my brand of
WY> MP> Judaism, non- Judaism. Is THAT cohesive? 
WY>Yes, you ARE the odd man out!
WY>Are you THAT important that they have to declare you an outcast?
WY> MP> ===>The Voice of Reason<===
WY>I really need some proof now...
For anyone with basic reading comprehension skills, it is obvious that 
you cannot engage in an intelligent dialogue.
I was truly hoping to end the petty bickering, but, you could not 
desist. 
How sad.
                ===>The Voice of Reason<===
                     mark.probert@juno.com
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