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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007
14:30:36 GMT, in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jeff
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Jeff North"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gawd also condones child sex - Lott and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
daughters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lott condoned, not God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I can hear the attorneys now... "Objection, Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Honor! It is a matter of record that Lot was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
intoxicated, and not of sound mind, nor in his right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
mind at the time. Further, his condition -- again a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter of record -- was caused by the juvenile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
delinquents (erm, daughters) in question, whom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
deliberately and willfully took gross advantage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
his emotional despondency (not to mention his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
person) for their own hedonistic purposes! Lot is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the victim of this crime, not the perpetrator!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Apparently, His Honor, agreed, for Lot did not die
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
as a result of engaging in incest; As mandated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Leviticus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Show where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ask
your preacher to finish the story of S&G for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't show
where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahhaha!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=19&version
=9
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31And the firstborn
said unto the younger, Our father is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> old, and there is not
a man in the earth to come in unto
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us after the manner of
all the earth:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32Come, let us make
our father drink wine, and we will lie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with him, that we may
preserve seed of our father.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33And they made their
father drink wine that night: and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firstborn went in, and
lay with her father; and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perceived not when she
lay down, nor when she arose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 34And it came to pass
on the morrow, that the firstborn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said unto the younger,
Behold, I lay yesternight with my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> father: let us make
him drink wine this night also; and go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thou in, and lie with
him, that we may preserve seed of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our father. 35And they
made their father drink wine that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> night also: and the
younger arose, and lay with him; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he perceived not when
she lay down, nor when she arose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 36Thus were both the
daughters of Lot with child by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> father. 37And the
first born bare a son, and called his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> name Moab: the same is
the father of the Moabites unto
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this day. 38And the
younger, she also bare a son, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> called his name
Benammi: the same is the father of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> children of Ammon unto this day.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "...and he perceived
not when she lay down, nor when she
>>>>>>>>>>>> arose...." He was
raped.  While unconscious.
>>>>>>>>>>> Think about the story for a
moment...  There he was, drunk on
>>>>>>>>>>> his ass, unconscious, or at
most semi-conscious, yet this
>>>>>>>>>>> guy, at least middle age and
probably older given that the
>>>>>>>>>>> average lifespan was 45 or 50,
was able to achieve and
>>>>>>>>>>> maintain an errection long
enough for his daughters to rape
>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>> So the story goes...
>>>>>>>>>>> The entire story is so
cockamamie that it's laughable.
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, but there it is....
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't write it...
>>>>>>>>> You just believe it is something more
than a fairytale.
>>>>>>>> Yep, more than a fairytale.
>>>>>>> Not really, that's all it is.
>>>>>> Your opinion.
>>>>> Not really, just poking at the logical flaws in the
tale is pretty
>>>>> conclusive proof that it was either made up, or based
very, and I
>>>>> stress, very loosely on something that may have
happened.   Either
>>>>> way, a fable, or fairytale.
>>>> Your opinion of logical flaws (which you actually failed to mention)
>>>> isn't proof and certainly isn't conclusive proof....
>>> I have mentioned them, you just can't honestly address them.
>> There aren't "logical" flaws in the story.
> They are just the move obvious logical flaws.

There aren't "logical" flaws in the story.

>>> As you are obviously slow, I will repeat:
>>> "Think about the story for a moment...  There he was, drunk on his
>>> ass, unconscious, or at most semi-conscious, yet this guy, at least
>>> middle age and probably older given that the average lifespan was 45
>>> or 50, was able to achieve and maintain an  errection long enough
>>> for his daughters to rape him."
>>> Can you offer an actual rebuttal, based in something other than
>>> handwaving?
>> Prove that getting an erection is IMPOSSIBLE while unconscious and
>> you've made your point.  Otherwise you don't have a point.
> The fact that alcohol is a central nervous system depressant if a very
> well known fact.

True, and irrelevant.

> Drinking your self into unconciousness is very dangerous because your
> nervous system activity can get so low that in several cases per year it
> causes respiratory and occastionally cardiac arrest.

True, and irrelevant.

> Give it a try, tell us how long you maintained an erection after losing
> consciousness.

I choose not to abuse myself in that way.

> Hell, tell us how long you maintain any sort of genital sensation after
> drinking yourself unconscious.  Ask your local physician.

Your challenge was: Prove that getting an erection is IMPOSSIBLE while
unconscious and you've made your point.  Otherwise you don't have a point.

That challenge remains.

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