From: "SDR" 

On Mar 26, 12:03 am, sdrodr...{at}sdrodrian.com wrote:
> On Mar 25, 8:10 pm, "Mirelle"  wrote:
>
>> sdrodr...{at}sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
>> Lies, and vilification, of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
>
>> Mirelle
>
> What?! No. No. This is what I wrote:
>
> BEGIN QUOTE
>
> What God Said To Mohammed:
>
> [Historical note, in passing:  Instead of
> writing His Message To Mankind into
> the heart and soul   of every man, woman,
> and child... God   found an illiterate brute
> out in the middle of the Arabian peninsula
> and gave to that most improbably clod
> the message He wanted passed on to mankind.
> And so, apparently, as recorded in the Quran
> and elsewhere]
>
>   ... Thus said God unto Mohammed:
>
> "Go and maim, butcher, and murder, steal
> and rob everything from everyone you kill.
> Knock off the heads of anyone who contradicts
> you, questions you, insults you, looks at you
> the wrong way--be it man, woman, child. Rape
> all the girls (and the boys too), no matter how
> old or young! Make war on the whole world
> that you may profit from its mounds of gold!
> Destroy all civilizations! Torture, exterminate
> entire peoples! Extinguish the light of human
> knowledge from the world! Suffocate all hopes
> of individual freedom! And, of course, pass on
> the message that I am the only God, and you
> are my messanger. Ah ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!" *
>
> S DRodrian
> http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://music.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> * [this is a summary of the "holy" Qu'ran]
>    And, of course, Mohammed the brute did
>    all this very faithfully indeed [as recorded
>    by Muslims themselves, who are still doing
>    the same to this day].
>
> END QUOTE
>
> SEE:    http://islamisbad.com
>
> As you can see for yourself, EVERYTHING
> I wrote was the truth. If you have spotted
> the least falsehood in anything I wrote (above)
> please let me know and I will correct it   *
> immediately. That is a solemn promise,
>
> S DRodrian
> http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://music.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> * I still prefer Moe to your Moo, though.

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s...{at}sdrodrian.com (S D Rodrian) wrote in message
...

>>> It is much more accurate to say that the Muslims STOLE
>>> the scientific databases of the peoples they conquered
>>> (since they originally were in reality, mostly illiterate
>>> Arab nomads)

>>  TYPICAL HINDU LIES.

Apparently you believe that
simply because I cite the horrors
that Arabs/Muslims visited upon
the Hindus (and Islam's genocides
and theft of the treasures of Hindu civilization) that therefore
I must be Hindu! This is most
amusing, as it betrays you as a
person who could not imagine
someone moral/ethical enough to
denounce crimes committed against
someone other than himself!
[Don't fret, yours is a very common flaw in many human beings.]

No: I am not Hindu. It's simply
that the Islamic genocide of
Hindus is without question the
worst crime against humanity on
record, that's all. Please keep
this in mind in the future.

In any case, to remedy my
unbalanced approach, and to help
satisfy your thirst for a more
comprehensive historical view,
here's the reprint of a letter
sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of
Hewlett Packard Corporation,
in response to a speech given by
her on September 26, 2001
which you can find at this url:

www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.htm

              http://islamisbad.com

S D Rodrian
poems.sdrodrian.com
physics.sdrodrian.com

              What Arab Civilization?

November 7, 2001
Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

Dear Madame Fiorina:

It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26,
2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's
Next" [sic]. I
was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech,
about the Arab/Muslim civilization.

As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose
ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in
this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn
into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and
religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what
follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere
else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then
conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of
Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that
this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use
of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels,
Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and
non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East
survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi
(see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities
were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and
Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic)
that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80%
in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced
many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.

You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied
gravity." I am not
sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches,
the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead
of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than
1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would
enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The
fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but
thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the
concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other
developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian
Mathematics, Neugebauer).

You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for
disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In
the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation
of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the
religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine.
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into
Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which
the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into
Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their
own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the
Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded
the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine,
(the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950
A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a
physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled
Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory
that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous
creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the
founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had
three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet
and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the
School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which
the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of
Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they
encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage,
a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this
civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved
the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact,
the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of
present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and
astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by
750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage,
romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too
steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in
the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran
is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of
the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing,
after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also
called Syriac); see:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14408a.htm

You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived
on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge
from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed
it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the
heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a
book

http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/greek.htm

titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the
significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars
listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of
my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is
that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world
via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the
question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this
great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same
question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and
we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed
in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very
clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through
forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled
below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the
intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so
called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see
Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force;
it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was
not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian
accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained,
through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the
intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization
has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It
was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that
harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included
Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions."

In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example,
young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the
age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where
they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary,
artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on
the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million
Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk"
government. This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and
expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever
Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to
destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as
Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomenie). This is a pattern that has
been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply
substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be
destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is
and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab
"accomplishments" you cited in
your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that
Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that
no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the
major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into
that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning
"Westerner" (the
first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800
B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" --
Westerners. See The
Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization policy

http://aina.org/releases/2001/arabization.htm

continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite
organizations sent an official letter

http://www.aina.org/releases/2001/caamletter.htm

to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and
Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim
ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews,
southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not
to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism,
with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and
civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and
research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to
the web links below. You may contact me at
k...{at}ninevehsoft.com for further questions.

Thank you for your consideration.

Peter BetBasoo

Web resources:

Brief History of Assyrians:
http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm

Assyrian International News Agency: http://www.aina.org/

Assyrian American National Federation: http://www.aanf.org/

Assyrian Academic Society:
http://www.aas.net/

Zinda Magazine:
http://www.zindamagazine.com/

Beth Suryoyo:
http://www.bethsuryoyo.com/

Nineveh Online:
http://www.nineveh.com/

World Maronite Union:
http://www.maroniteunion.org/

Maronite Research Council:
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/maronites

World Lebanese Organization:
http://www.wlo-usa.org/

Coptic Web:
http://www.copticmail.com/

thanks: Peter BetBasoo (k...{at}ninevehsoft.com)

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On Feb 26, 10:59 pm, Jim  wrote:
> sdrodr...{at}sdrodrian.com wrote:
>> The So-Called "Clash of Civilizations" ...
>
>>   "Nowhere in the world are Christians or Jews trying
>>   to kill Muslims simply because they are Muslims. But
>>   everywhere in the world Muslims are trying to kill
>>   Christians and Jews (and other non-Muslims) simply
>>   and solely because they are non-Muslims."
>
>> Now THAT is the crux of the problem defining the
>> so-called "clash of civilizations" today. And if you
>> don't recognize it, and try to solve it, it will
>> continue until we do recognize it and solve it.
>
>> S DRodrian
>>http://poems.sdrodrian.com
>>http://physics.sdrodrian.com
>>http://music.sdrodrian.com
>>http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
>
> Haven't read much history, have you?

No: I got it wholesale from the Muslims: Everybody Muslim boasts of it. Their
holy books call for it (and because Muslims are not free to be or not to be
Muslims ON PAIN OF DEATH), no matter what a Muslim may say to a non-Muslim
(NOTE: the Koran admonishes Muslims never to permit non-Muslins to read it
because... it is a plan for the military conquest of all
non-Muslims--Surprise!)... it is the mantra they are taught from DAY ONE: That
non-Muslims are THE ENEMY ... not to be pitied as Christians think of
non-Christians, or to be loved as some Indian sects admonish, but to be
SLAUGHTERED (unless they convert, of course, and join them in the hunt of
non-Muslims).

And, pray tell, what does one do with THE ENEMY?

Well, the Koran is very specific about this (because it assumes Muslims will
have been turned into brainless morons by their religion): Slaughter them if
they do not convert (except for Jews and Christians who are
"permitted" to live
if they pay a tax (which is, a ransom--"blackmail" is such a nasty word) of
between 30 to 90 percent annually, as specified in Sharia (Islamic law)). This
is why the European Imperialists still found some handful of impoverished Jews
and Christians in Islamic countries when they were competing for empire.

Moronover, [sic] the Koran also specifies that Muslims are to slaughter
non-Muslims ONLY as long as they are more powerful militarily (which is why the
large and ancient Jewish communities Mohammed found in Mecca and in Medina he
slaughtered so brutally that even his butchering followers admonished him on it
and he relented, agreeing to not slaughter any child that did not yet have
pubic hair but instead forcing the lad to become a Muslim.

However, the Koran (the plan composed and set down in writing by Mu hammed)
insists: If THE ENEMY is militarily stronger than you, then agree to any
convenient truce while you strengthen yourself (which is why Hamas is asking
Israel for an "extended truce" and why Iran is asking The Stoopid West for
continued
& continued & continued negotiations and continued
diplomacy--because they are following the plan ... that is, the Koran, which if
any of the idiots who rule Europe and America would simply READ everything
would be revealed to even their idiotic eyes--but, you couldn't get George Bush
to read a "Dick & Jane" first reader, let along the fucking Koran).

 > Which muslim country has occupied a non
 > muslim country?

ALL countries now Islamic (with the exception of Indonesia and environs, which
were convinced to become Muslim by mullahs who, after Krakatoa exploded told
them it was God's punishment for not being Muslims, and the poor saps bought
it--and, once Muslim, Muslims make sure you don't go back with very specific
laws that if any Muslims changes his religion he/she is to be SLAUGHTERED by
anybody at hand including his/her children or parents)... ALL countries now
Muslim were conquered by their Muslim neighbors: ALL, except India which, after
the greatest carnage/genocide in human history (with some places in
India/Pakistan/ Afghanistan & environs boasting of as many as 85 million
non-Muslims butchered)... proved too large: After the slaughter of 100s of
millions of Hindus and other poor souls who were all basically peacefully
resigned philosophically/religiously to whatever fate the world has to offer...
rose up and again became belligerent enough to fight back and stop the Islamic
slaughter/genocide before the British showed up there.

... are you beginning to gleam why SLAUGHTER is a quality/condition so
inseparable from Muslims/Islam?

If not, then perhaps you should do a little research on all of this (provided,
of course, you have already gone thought that "Dick & Jane"
first reader):

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.afghanistan/msg/ee344ffc53580775?dmo
de=source&hl=en
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/1138bfa1c4479b79?&hl=en&q=rod
rian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam
from:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffed2fd4e3c90
5/f27695a8378e5591?lnk=st&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f27695a8
378e5591

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?titleArmenian_Genocide

http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/india_contribution/maths.html

http://answering-islam.org/index.html

Or, you could do a little research for yourself.

Or just simply read The Koran:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=HolKora.sgm&images=images/m
odeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=all

And some of the controversies about it: http://www.quran.org/19quest.htm

Then, when you watch Muslims on your TV lying through their teeth to the
American public you at least will know enough to laugh (or cry when you note
that no one will challenge their outrageous/deadly lies).

BEGIN QUOTE:

a...{at}microsith.com (sifu) wrote:

 > Is that why the Jews enoyed the
 > hositality of the Islamic states in
 > Spain for 800 years and also in
 > Jerusalem. You have quoted many ayats.
 > However YOU are NOT a scholar of Islam.
 > You have not read the letter
 > signed by Hadrat Umar Ibn al Kathab,
 > the second Caliph of Islam who,
 > based on the teachings of the Holy
 > Prophet Muhammad sallah alaiwassalam,
 > let ALL people go about their faith
 > and business as usual.

Nor have I read Caliph el Loko's
call for muslims to embrace love and compassion for all non-muslims. But I'm
sure it exists--So what? In what way does it help the victim of a murder that
the whole world love him but
one?!?! It's futile for me to point out to you, sir, that it is not the
Koran's calls for love and peace that have butchered 100s of millions of
human beings in the course of the
Islamic genocide against non-muslims (which is going on to this day, as there
are tribes in Kashmere which are
on the brink of extinction at the hands of the muslims)... it is the
Koran's calls for terrorism and genocide that have moved the "pious
Muslims" to
those inhuman actions.

The Koran may be mere words, sir. But what cannot be AND OUGHT NEVER be
ignored is the fact that no muslim will condemn even the most egregiously
barbaric and savage portions of the Koran! (Some of which you can read
for yourself at the end of this post.) Will you? No you will not. You
will instead cite those utterly irrelevant calls for love and the brotherhood
of men which have never caused anybody any trouble in the whole sorry
history of Islam's existence. The true terror of Islam is indeed in the
terror of even the most decent-minded muslim to stand up for decency. That says
all there is to say about the nature of Islam, sir. And no one need be
any sort of scholar to understand that gut-real truth.

 > While Europe was living in
 > the Dark Ages in mud
 > huts Cordoba, the Capital of Muslim
 > Spain the citizens were living in
 > a city with street lighting, sewage
 > systems, and warm water. The first
 > university in Europe was made
 > by Muslims in Andalucia.

No doubt, no doubt it must have
been Paradise on earth... living under the muslims in Spain. So all the more
perplexing then that the Spaniards
themselves invested 500 brutal bloody years of revolution and war to rid
themselves of their muslim benefactors, eh?! Me, I don't even put up an
argument if my pizza is delivered
cold and gummy.

 > People who
 > wanted to learn about science had
 > to know Arabic because the Muslims
 > were the most highly educated. They
 > made great advances in science, in
 > medicine, in astrology, physics,
 > maths, recovered and translated the
 > knowledge of the Romans and Greeks
 > which had been destroyed by the
 > Europeans.

What a croc, sir! That is one of the most gigantic "big lies" of history:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/41ffed2fd4e3c90
5/f27695a8378e5591?lnk=st&q=rodrian+Hewlett+Packard+Islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f27695a8
378e5591

For your edification ALL that so-called "Islamic" science is
Greek science. The
fall of the Roman Empire and the overrun of Europe by barbarians broke the
thread of history there, and the muslims' only (real) contribution is that
somehow they managed to avoid
using what remained of ancient greek civilization as firewood. Check your
history again and you will discover that there was no significant advance in
science since the fall of the Roman empire and the renaissance (even
almost unto the rise of the British one and the subsequent beginnings of the
Industrial Revolution, yesterday).

What muslim "scholars" added (mostly in practical medicine, because of
their lack of scruples about cutting up people, living or dead) can be
summed up in the same manner one
sums up their great Islamic achievements in architecture: They copied, sir,
they copied. The Arab muslims were utterly illiterate barbarians just out of
the desert, and their only original
achievement is the camel. Throughout the Islamic conquest, what the Islamic
barbarians did not destroy (the same way they recently destroyed the great
Buddahs in Afghanistan), they shamelessly converted into Islamic mosque (like
the Hagia Sophia Church in Constantinople, now a mosque) after which you saw
the sprouting of "similar" mosques
elsewhere. Even the great Taj Mahal in India is really an ancient Hindu temple
to Shiva which the muslims have desecrated
just as they desecrated every Christian Church they got hold of, and even the
holiest ground in the promised land, the Temple of The Lord at Jerusalem
originally built by Solomon. ALL the wealth muslims have ever owned they have
stolen from the people who originated that wealth until the coming of
petroleum. And ALL the splendor of
Islamic "civilization" has been the enjoyment by the muslims of all they
managed to steal from their rightful owners. They
are, have always been, and ever will be ignorant and blind to true civilization
as long as they are under the unforgiving psychological enslavement of Islam.
Once the petroleum runs out, the Arabs will be swallowed up by their brutal
culture right back into the desert from which they came, for, until the coming
of petroleum there NEVER was a single moment in all of Islamic history when
their "greatness" was not stolen from somebody else... no matter what any
Hollywood movie says. SEE:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/tejo.html

 > In Islam a person is only allowed to attack a soldier and not
 > civilians.

Well, you should tell that to the
massacred at the twin towers. You
should tell that to the 300,000
Arminiam massacred. You should tell that to the countless millions and millions
of Hindus and others massacred
by the muslims. I'm sure it will make them rest better in their graves,
all those women and children soldiers.

http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html

 > Your knowledge of Islam is futile.

My knowledge of Islam is enough. My knowledge of muslims and their crimes is
already too much to bear. I wish the world had never heard of the
bastards. And I am certain I am not the only one who wishes that. And I, for
one, do not need to know the
color of my murderer's underwear.
I know this:

If Islam is the ultimate major
source of terrorism in today's
world, and it absolutely is (or
just take the Islamic terrorists
themselves at their word when
they all cite the Koran as their
marching orders)... then it's better that the whole world start
looking into the reason why Islam
is the greatest source of evil
in the world, instead of pretending its sulfuring festering
open wound is a lovely blue pool
from which "for some inexplicable
reason" pus seems to be oozing
from it on a regular basis: For
centuries the world thought
disease was caused by magic, and it was not until the world finally
confronted the real cause of
disease that the world has finally
begun to control pestilence.

I tell you this: Not until Islamic
"scholars" themselves begin to
confront the evil of Islam will that evil begin to come under
control. And it's for the benefit of muslims themselves that this
ought to be done, for the Islamic
world is STILL in the grips of a
savage and brutal dark ages  which
far surpasses the European Dark
Ages which the West put behind it
CENTURIES AGO. The saving grace
of the Christian world has, ever
since the European Dark Ages, been
that there are so many Christian
sects (preventing any one of them
from brainwashing Europeans with
a lot of religious gibberish). And
what the Islamic world is in dire
need of is its own Martin Luthers
to demand a frank and open discussion among muslims of those portions
of the Koran which are self-evidently more Satanic than sacred:

   [8.12] When your Lord revealed
   to the angels: I am with you,
   therefore make firm those who
   believe.

          I will cast terror into
   the hearts of those who disbelieve.
   Therefore strike off their
   heads and strike off every fingertip
   of them.

Meaning, pure and simple, and without any apologies: Terrorize non-muslims to
your heart's delight. Make it as gruesome as you care to make it. And
throughout the history of the Islamic conquest... it has been spectacularly
gruesome, as uncounted millions of
innocents have been butchered, not by a handful of renegade fundamentalists,
but by the full power of the muslim states and potentates. And now you
might be starting to get an inkling of the desperation with which the muslim-
besieged Christian communities of the holy land begged help from their
European brethren before the coming of the historical first crusades.

   Sahih Muslim
   Book 019, Number 4366:
   It has been narrated by 'Umar b.
   al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
   of Allah (may peace be upon him)
   say: I will expel the Jews and
   Christians from the Arabian Peninsula
   and will not leave any but Muslim.

Who among you can really believe
that a pious person can trust that
what his "bible" says is true, and yet that he can somehow ignore the
command (above)... without
doubting his faith and commitment?! It is no coincidence that the terrorists
involved in the September 11 massacre are all reported by their family and
neighbors as being exceptionally
pious and devoted believers, "quiet and honest" persons who spent
their days in
meditation at the local mosques. It's such a universal picture
of them that the FBI could have
predicted which muslims would turn the deadliest terrorists just from seeing
which of them proved the most pious and quiet and devoted, honest and
full of Islamic humility and gentility.

   Sahih Muslim

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