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to: BOB KLAHN
from: RICHARD HELM
date: 2006-01-23 15:24:00
subject: Nagin and New Orleans

On 22 Jan 10, BOB KLAHN wrote to ROGER NELSON:
on the subject: Nagin and New Orleans 

 RN>> BOB KLAHN wrote in a message to ALL:

 BK>>>  Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, made a comment that New Orleans
 BK>>> will be a black city again, and that is how God wants it.

 RN>> That's not exactly the way he put it or what he said.

 BK>  The meaning is close enough.

 RN>> [...]
 BK>>>  Still, it was stupid.

 RN>> I agree with that.  What he actually said was stupid.

 BK>>>  The part I did not hear about is where he said a lot more about
 BK>>> how the black community had to take responsibility for improving
 BK>>> itself. When Cosby said that he got headlines in the right wing
 BK>>> media. When Nagin said it, it got zero coverage that I have seen
 BK>>> yet.

 RN>> That isn't correct, either.  They both got coverage, but
 RN>> because Cosby is an established celebrity, his remarks got
 RN>> more.

 BK>  Nagin got a lot of coverage, but the right win media gave no
 BK>  coverage to the part where he addressed the problems within the
 BK>  black race, and plenty with what applied to whites.

Your bigotry is amazing.

 RN>>   I remember when New Coke came out and Cosby was the
 RN>> one chosen to pitch it.  I lost some respect for him then
 RN>> because New Coke made me sick and I called the home office
 RN>> in Atlanta and told them about it.  But Cosby got my
 RN>> respect back when 1) he lost a son and 2) tried to do
 RN>> something beneficial for the black people.

 BK>  Yet that last was what Nagin tried to do. Oh, I also today found
 BK>  a reference that Nagins real political base is with whites, not
 BK>  blacks. He was a Cox communications exec. He apparently is
 BK>  trying to shore up his support among blacks.

You are letting your need to keep blacks on the plantation cloud your
thinking.

 RN>> What some don't know about Nagin is that prior to hurricane
 RN>> Katrina, he was about to propose a tax hike on the New
 RN>> Orleans citizens.  His excuse, for lack of a better word,
 RN>> was that he was tired of the drive-by shootings and the
 RN>> drug problem in the city.

 BK>  That sounds like he wanted to hire more cops, to control crime.
 BK>  He's guilty of trying to actually pay for what he tries to do.

 RN>> If he really wanted to do
 RN>> something for New Orleans, he knows where to begin.  New
 RN>> Orleans hasn't had a decent mayor since Morrison.

 BK>  I don't know Morrison, but I don't see any real complaint there.

 BK>  OTOH, this could just be proof that government should not be run
 BK>  by business men. Maybe the old idea of the citizen legislator
 BK>  who serves a few years then returns to his previous life are not
 BK>  so great after all.

You favor professional politicians?  That could only bring total
corruption. 

 RN>> [...]

 BK>>>  Seems when a black public figure says something it only gets
 BK>>> coverage if it's something stupid that can be used against him,
 BK>>> and all black democrats, or if it's a black man saying something
 BK>>> critical of black people.

 RN>> Oh please!  The editors of the media are always looking to
 RN>> jump on anything that is anti-Bush or they think will sell.

 BK>  Read the top part again. I was talking about the right wing
 BK>  media.

 RN>>  They are living in a fool's paradise and losing
 RN>>  subscribers daily.  I know.  I was once a subscriber.

 BK>>>  When a black democrat says something positive to black people it
 BK>>> gets buried, esp if the right has something they can hang him  with
 BK>>> at the same time.

 RN>> See above.  Everyone has an agenda.

 BK>  Again, I was speaking of the right wing media. I first heard of
 BK>  this from the local right wing talk radio. (That's redundant,
 BK>  isn't it.)

 BK>>>  Here is more of what he had to say, what you didn't hear from  the
 BK>>> right wing media. When Cosby made similar comments I saw  posters
 BK>>> on the right gloating over it. Not this time.

 RN>> The media is anything but right-wing.  They are much too
 RN>> liberal.

 BK>  Talk radio is pretty well owned by the right. Fox news is not
 BK>  liberal. The Wall Street Journal is not liberal. There is a lot
 BK>  of right wing media.

 BK>>>  ...

 BK>>>  Nagin described an imaginary conversation with King, the late
 BK>>> civil rights leader.

 BK>>>  "I said, `What is it going to take for us to move on and live
 BK>>> your dream and make it a reality?' He said, `I don't think that  we
 BK>>> need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and
 BK>>> racists on the other side.' He said, `The thing we need to focus
 BK>>> on as a community - black folks I'm talking about - is
 BK>>>  ourselves.'"

 RN>> I love that part.  It's a prime example of a man out of
 RN>> touch with reality. Ask any psychiatrist.

 BK>  He'll probably think anyone who tries to psychoanalyze from that
 BK>  needs help.

You need a phone number?

Richard 
 rlhelm{at}radiks.net
 http://rlhelm.home.radiks.net

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