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John Edser wrote: > Multi-level selection > Sean Rice > Dept. of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology > Yale University : > > http://pantheon.yale.edu/~sean/group.html > > > Discussion: > > JE:- > Rice has rediscovered the obvious: an altruistic gene > _cannot_ spread unless an absolute fitness gain is secured > and not just a relative fitness increase. Such an event > is possible using classical group selection as Rice > has illustrated i.e. Hamiltonian fitness is just a hidden > rehash of discredited classical group selection. No, John. Rice is presenting Hamilton's ideas as the "new" (clean, shiny and, err, Sober) group selection. This interpretation is used in the first half of Wilson and Sober's "Unto Others", but stems from Price's work. The important point Rice is trying to make is that one has to look at selection acting at sveral levels. The discredited classical group selection insisted that one only had to look at a single level - the group. New group selection is now a part of "multi-level selection" which acknowledges that selection can occur at several levels (gene, individual, group, etc.), and that there are occasions when one has to take several of these levels into consideration when analysing evolution. Bob -- Bob O'Hara Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics P.O. Box 4 (Yliopistonkatu 5) FIN-00014 University of Helsinki Finland Telephone: +358-9-191 23743 Mobile: +358 50 599 0540 Fax: +358-9-191 22 779 WWW: http://www.RNI.Helsinki.FI/~boh/ Journal of Negative Results - EEB: http://www.jnr-eeb.org --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 7/1/04 10:36:16 PM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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