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William Morse wrote or quoted: > I thought Hamilton originally suggested his rule to answer the question > of how a feature like the toxicity of monarch butterflies could evolve. > > This feature has nothing to do with reciprocity. It might not be considered > altruism by most, but in fact is, since being toxic doesn't help an > individual at first - the individual will still be killed by the > predator.The predator is likely thereafter to avoid the species - so it is > only after the toxicity gene has spread that it provides any advantage to > the bearer. The initial benefit has to be to other individuals who are > likely to share the gene - i.e. kin. Note here that the benefit does not > have to be only to kin - in the monarch butterfly example the benefit would > be to all monarch butterflies - the benefit to kin only has to exceed the > cost to the individual. Conventionally (i.e. if you avoid species level selection), then spatialisation is important. I.e. it would really matter that a predator who had a toxic monarch for breakfast would be likely to be avoiding relatives for lunch and dinner - by virtue of the fact that they are in the same vicinity. Without spatialisation, benefit would accrue equally to all monarchs - and the costs would be paid only by those with the gene - a result which is bound to be a net loss for them in the competiton between them. If you permit species-level or group level explanations, toxic monarchs are no puzzle at all, of course. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim{at}tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply. --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 6/27/04 10:28:32 PM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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