RS> There is NO 'tone' difference between V32bis and V32terbo, they
RS> use the SAME carrier freqs and all V32terbo does is have more points
RS> in the constellation pattern, and thats known to be less than very
RS> satisfactory on the signal to noise demands it makes of the line.

PC> If there is no tone difference how does a ter capable
PC> modem tell if there is the same at the other end.

Basically by looking at the constellation.

PC> and tricking the Courier into thinking the call was a v.32ter one.

RS> The problem with that theory is that you get perfect 14400 connects
RS> EVERY TIME and then after less than a second the Courier mindlessly
RS> demands a full retrain when V32terbo is enabled on the Courier.
RS> There is no way that 'tones' from the Supra can do that.

PC> I can only comment on my own experience with the Courier,
PC> i have v32ter enabled and what v.32bis connects i've had
PC>  hasn't displayed the symptoms you've discribed above.

Yeah, but you only see the retrains on the V32bis modem calling it,
and with many modems its not that obvious when retrains are happening.
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