G'day Poe,

 PL> On Mar 01 05:29 in a msg to Peter Collis, Ian Smith of 3:626/660 wrote:

 PC> I found with V.8 tones disabled i could only get a v.fc connect to  a
 PC> M34F with them enabled i got v.34/28800

 IS> Something Craig Ford (among other people, at other times) has said
 IS> is that V.8 negotiation is required to do V.34.  Can any modem
 IS> negotiate V.34 without it?

 PL> I think he meant v.8 call indicate tones in the first
 PL> instance, but he actually disabled v.8 when he was trying
 PL> to diable v.8 CI... And no, no v.8, no v.34.

Right, ta.  Well, that strengthens the case for V34 and V32b being
redundent modem flags for nodelisting, which is what this was in reference
too - in other words V.34 requires V.8, which apparently specifies that
V.32bis be available as well in modems using it .. I'd like to check this
myself.

Craig also states (and quotes from) the AT&T "V.32terbo" spec
as requiring V.32bis also (fairly obvious).  It's unlear whether V.fc does
also, despite the Rockwell and USR modems implementing it all doing V.32bis
also (anyway).

PS thanks for your netmail .. I'll get there one day ..

Cheers, Ian

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