On 02-04-98 Richard Meic wrote to Day Brown... 
 RM>  RM>> Let me just point out one more time that American liberals and 
 RM>  RM>> conservatives are not the same as Canadian liberals and 
 RM>  RM>> conservatives.  When you say "liberal", what definition are you 
 RM>  RM>> using?                    
American liberals beleive that social engineering can reform man 
so that he will behave properly.  While I admit of the theory as 
being reasonable, the fact is that in practice, the engineering 
is not nearly as effective as hoped, and if all the promoted new 
programs were enacted, the cost would bankrupt the economy. 
 
American conservatives feel that no social engineering works when 
it is run by government, and that it should all be abolished.  It 
would have to include retirement benefits, which, if enacted, has 
a high likelihood of destroying business that now caters to these 
senior citizens.  That would likely snoball, bankrupting America. 
 
The conservatives are devided into religious, family value fundies 
who want the state to enforce their religious values, and fiscal 
types who don't givadamn about that but want the books balanced. 
They have both been in the GOP, but Clinton and many of the Dems 
have glommed onto the fiscal sanity, leaving the GOP with fanatic 
fundies supporting anti-abortion, school prayer, religious rights. 
 
 
 RM> It looks like you are thinking of "utopia", which is impossible to  
 RM> achieve.  If you want utopia, "freedom" must come with it or it is not 
 
Such policies look a lot like Sweden, which is way too damn cold 
for me, or Utopia. 
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