From: "Gregg N" 

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The document you provided a link to looks like it contains a fixed width =
font. Where do you see proportional characters in it? Also notice the =
fluctiation in the height of the characters.

I read elsewhere that the selectric had a superscript key of some sort. = I
could easily see a type ball having a "th", "nd",
"rd", etc. = characters. Are you sure this was not available?

Gregg

  "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:4140c15b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  IBM Selectric's didn't use proportional spaced fonts.  Here are the =
fonts that IBM Selectric Used

  He points us to the Selectric Typewriter Museum at =
http://www.selectric.org/selectric/index.html.=20
  (Sigh. Silly me! I had just been thinking about taking Mrs. Kerry Spot =
to the Selectric Typewriter Museum the other day.)

  The available fonts are listed there:

    10 Pitch Type Styles: Advocate, Bookface Academic 72, Delegate, =
Orator, Courier 72, Pica 72, Prestige Pica 72=20
    12 Pitch Type Styles: Adjutant, Artisan 12, Courier 12 Italic, =
Scribe, Prestige Elite, Courier 12, Elite 72, Letter Gothic

    Special Typing Applications: Light Italic, Script, Printing =
ANSI-OCR, Symbol 10, 108 OCR, Manifold 72, Symbol 12


  To my layman's eye, none of those fonts look quite like Times New =
Roman, or the font on the CBS memo.

  Numerous experts say you couldn't do the superscript "th" on any =
typewriter available in 1972, the same experts all state that there were =
a few typewriters around that did proportional spaced fonts but those =
typewriters cost $20,000 in 1972 dollars.  Not likely to ever be at any =
Government office given how notoriously cheap they are for furnishings =
and fixtures, much less a National Guard Office.  To think otherwise is =
just plainly ridiculous.

  I personally owned an IBM selectric, and I can guarantee you that =
these documents are not in the fonts fond on an IBM Selectric and that =
the IBM Selectric could NOT do the superscript "th" that appears
in = these FAKED documents.  I also owned the  IBM model that was current =
just before the black selectrics with the balls came out.  Neither did =
this type or a superscript "th".

  Gary

    "Gregg N"  wrote in message =
news:4140be36$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    The document appears to me to use a fixed width font. I don't know =
where you got your information about $20,000 typewriters, but the =
superscript "th" was possible using a common IBM Selectric of the
day. = The original Selectric was introduced in 1961. See

    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/IBM-Selectric-typewriter

    It could print special symbols and different fonts. I could not find =
what they sold for back then, but I doubt it was anywhere close to =
$20,000. It was marketed as office equipment.

    Gregg

      "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:4140b0d8$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Even a cursory examination of the document which can be found here =
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf shows its FAKE.

      The document is from 1972, and in 1972 people and the National =
Guard used TYPEWRITERS.  Typewriters used a fixed pitch courier font.  =
This FAKED document is in a PROPORTIONAL font that only typewriters =
costing more than $20,000 1972 dollars could imitate, and NO TYPEWRITER =
(not even a $20,000 one) could create the superscript "th" that
is in = this FAKED document.  Microsoft Word of course uses proportional
fonts = and automatically creates the superscript "th" found in
this FAKED = document.

      CBS and the democraps show their slime again.  This could backfire =
on Kerry with such an obviously faked document.

      There are problems with the signature as well that makes experts =
think the signature is a cut a paste job of a signature from another = document.

      Gary

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The document you provided a link to =
looks like it=20
contains a fixed width font. Where do you see proportional characters in = it?=20
Also notice the fluctiation in the height of the =
characters.
 
I read elsewhere that the =
selectric had a=20
superscript key of some sort. I could easily see a type ball having a =
"th",=20
"nd", "rd", etc. characters. Are you sure this
was not=20 available?
 
Gregg
 

  "Gary Britt" <garyb{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:garyb{at}nospamforme.com">garyb{at}nospamforme.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:4140c15b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  IBM Selectric's didn't use proportional spaced fonts.  Here =
are the=20
  fonts that IBM Selectric Used
   
  He points us to the Selectric
Typewriter Museum =
at=20
  http://www.selectric.org/selectric/index.html.=20
  (Sigh. Silly me! I had just been thinking about taking Mrs. Kerry =
Spot to=20
  the Selectric Typewriter Museum the other day.)
  The available fonts are listed there:
  10 Pitch Type Styles: Advocate, Bookface Academic 72, =
Delegate,=20
    Orator, Courier 72, Pica 72, Prestige Pica 72=20
    12 Pitch Type Styles: Adjutant, Artisan 12, Courier 12 Italic, =
Scribe,=20
    Prestige Elite, Courier 12, Elite 72, Letter Gothic
    Special Typing Applications: Light Italic, Script, Printing =
ANSI-OCR,=20
    Symbol 10, 108 OCR, Manifold 72, Symbol 12
  
  To my layman's eye, none of those fonts look
quite like =
Times New=20
  Roman, or the font on the CBS memo.
  Numerous experts say you couldn't do the
superscript "th" on =
any=20
  typewriter available in 1972, the same experts all state that there =
were a few=20
  typewriters around that did proportional spaced fonts but those =
typewriters=20
  cost $20,000 in 1972 dollars.  Not likely to ever be at any=20
  Government office given how notoriously cheap they are for furnishings =
and=20
  fixtures, much less a National Guard Office.  To think otherwise =
is just=20
  plainly ridiculous.
  I personally owned an IBM selectric, and I can guarantee you that =
these=20
  documents are not in the fonts fond on an IBM Selectric and that the =
IBM=20
  Selectric could NOT do the superscript "th" that appears in these =
FAKED=20
  documents.  I also owned the  IBM model that was current =
just before=20
  the black selectrics with the balls came out.  Neither did this =
type or a=20
  superscript "th".
  Gary
  

    "Gregg N" <greggn{at}invalid.invalid>">mailto:greggn{at}invalid.invalid">greggn{at}invalid.invalid>
= wrote in=20
    message news:4140be36$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    The document appears
to me to =
use a fixed=20
    width font. I don't know where you got your information about =
$20,000=20
    typewriters, but the superscript "th" was possible using a common =
IBM=20
    Selectric of the day. The original Selectric was introduced in 1961. =

    See
     
    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/IBM-Selectric-typewriter=
">http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/IBM-Selectric-typewriter=
FONT>
     
    It could print special symbols and =
different=20
    fonts. I could not find what they sold for back then, but I =
doubt it=20
    was anywhere close to $20,000. It was marketed as office=20
    equipment.
     
    Gregg
     
    

      "Gary Britt" <garyb{at}nospamforme.com>">mailto:garyb{at}nospamforme.com">garyb{at}nospamforme.com>
= wrote in=20
      message news:4140b0d8$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Even a cursory examination of the document which can be found =
here http://www.c" target="new">http://www.c=">http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf">http://www.c=
bsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf shows=20
      its FAKE.
       
      The document is from 1972, and in 1972 people and the =
National Guard=20
      used TYPEWRITERS.  Typewriters used a fixed pitch courier =
font. =20
      This FAKED document is in a PROPORTIONAL font that only =
typewriters=20
      costing more than $20,000 1972 dollars could imitate, and NO =
TYPEWRITER=20
      (not even a $20,000 one) could create the superscript "th" that is =
in this=20
      FAKED document.  Microsoft Word of course uses proportional =
fonts and=20
      automatically creates the superscript "th" found in this FAKED=20
      document.
       
      CBS and the democraps show their slime again.  This =
could=20
      backfire on Kerry with such an obviously faked document.
       
      There are problems with the signature as well that makes =
experts=20
      think the signature is a cut a paste job of a signature from =
another=20
      document.
       
      Gary
      =
 

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