From: "Mark" 

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with your links John, the fact
remains that we went to war based on what we knew at the time. If you're
proposing that we should always hunker down in fancy cold war era bomb
shelters (and I've been in a couple, pretty cool, if useless in the end run
for their stated purpose) and wait for the enemy to hit us first, that's
fine, you're entitled to that opinion. 

"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
news:s9jep2deg1d6n2fp4q8a0728e9vnap6bjo{at}4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:27:26 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>news:ut1dp2thj7gj9l4t9kt6m1fc7p10371p9i{at}4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:54:51 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Talk to your representative on that count John, they overwhelmingly
>>>>authorized the Iraq war, on the basis of many (at least 17
as I recall)
>>>>counts -- all but one of which are handily ignored these days.
>>>
>>> A nice bit of revisionism there.  The warmongers *overwhelmingly*
>>> emphasized the fact that Saddam had WMDs (and that we knew exactly
>>> where they were), that Saddam had links to bin Laden and AQ, and that
>>> Iraq proposed a grave and gathering threat to the United States.  All
>>> three of those propositions have been proven wrong by events.
>>
>>Speaking of revisionist!
>
> Now you're just being silly.
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html
> Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
> of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
> against our friends, against our allies, and against us.
> -- Dick Cheney, 8/8/2006
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/t03302003_t0330sdabcsteph.html
> We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
> and east, west, south and north somewhat.
> -- Donald Rumsfeld, 3/3/2003
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50679-2004Jun17.html
> "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between
> Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between
> Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting.
> -- George W Bush, 6/17/2004
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html
> The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam
> Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger.
> -- George W Bush, 9/12/2002
>
>
>>> The other primary reason for the overthrow was the utopian neocon
>>> vision of Iraq as a democratic ally in the Mid-East, a vision that
>>> could only have been conceived by those ignorant of the history of the
>>> region.  That was a pipe dream too.
>>
>>Eh, I don't recall anyone saying that then.
>
> Well no wonder you supported the war.  You have no idea what's really
> happening.
>

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