From: "Mark" 

I think that even if one were to cede the opinion that humans are a
substantial cause of global warming to the "global warmists" as a
fact, that we're still left with the alternative question:

What if the only thing stopping a future ice age in 100 or 200 years is
that very ceded fact? Still want to shut down global production and kill
the world economy only to ultimately cause our deaths as a result because
our warming effect was erased and the ice age was too deep to live through?

Look I don't care if the global warmists are so damn sure of themselves,
they can preen in front of posters of hockey sticks all day and night for
all I care; what ticks me off is when they try to force through unthought
out "solutions" based on uproven theories by relying on clueless
elected officials to toe their line -- and they're getting ever more
frantic as more and more scientists come out less than enamored of the
supposed "consensus."

It's a race that I'm still pretty sure (pretty sure, but very hopeful for
all our sakes) they'll lose, based simply their lack of fortitude in
carrying out their own mandates in those countries that were bamboozled
into embracing Kyoto.


"Geo."  wrote in message news:459591c0{at}w3.nls.net...
> "Phil Payne" 
wrote in message
> news:45954de9{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>> Doesn't anyone realise that if global warming were not primarily due to
>> fossil fuels we would have to cut our output of greenhouse gases even
>> more
>> drastically?
>
> Why? Why do you think it would make any significant difference at all? If
> the earth want's to balance something out, we sure as hell are not going
> to convince her to stop.
>
>> Fact: the Earth _is_ warming.  The measurements and statistics are
>> unimpeachable.
>>
>> So what is causing this?  Is it just part of a natural cycle, as the
>> extreme
>> right of the GOP - oilmen to a man - would have us believe?  Or are we
>> causing it?
>
> Good, at least you admit we don't know. However I would like to point out
> the fact that this warmer/colder cycle has happened many times in the
> past, previous to man and during man's existance. With that in mind
> doesn't it make MORE sense to assume it's not us than to assume it is us?
>
>> If it's part of a natural cycle, where will it end?  All the way to a 50
>> metre sea level rise?
>>
>> If we're causing it, we have a BIG lever to pull on.  If Nature is
>> causing
>> it, we only have a small lever and we have to pull much harder on it.
>
> Pull as hard as you want, you can't even make a storm detour or knock out
> a tiny little tornado and you think you are going to tell the whole planet
> what to do?
>
> Geo.

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