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John Edser wrote or quoted: > Multi-level selection > Sean Rice > Dept. of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology > Yale University : > > http://pantheon.yale.edu/~sean/group.html Rice says (not very coherently, perhaps): ``I suggest that a useful test of whether selection is acting at some level is to ask the following question: In order for selection to act, is it necessary and sufficient for there to be multiple (>1) units at that level and for there to be variation between these? If the answer to this question is "yes", then we say that selection is acting at the level under consideration.'' Note that many say that selection should represent a choice between alternatives *on the basis of the charcteristics of the items in question*. E.g. see: ``In their general description of selection, the authors define it as ?repeated cycles of replication, variation, and environmental interaction so structured that environmental interaction causes replication to be differential.? The standard interpretation of the word ?differential? is that in each cycle, multiple replicators differ in the extent to which they replicate.'' - http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Hull/Commentators/.Pepper.html The issue boils down to whether selections can be made while blindfolded. On reflection, I think I'm with Rice's "ultra-broad" definition on the issue - selections made while blindfolded are *still* selections. I believe I'm rather going against the most common usage here, though. In particular, fans of genetic drift may not approve - however - since such terminology results in drift being classified as a selective process - and I suspect they will find such usage contrary to common usage in their particular area - i.e. the selection vs drift debate becomes suddenly becomes rather ill-defined. What about the issue of whether any variation is necessary? I suspect this issue can be sidestepped on the grounds that it isn't very relevant to biology: in nature, organisms *must* vary a bit - since they must be in different physical locations. I note that lots of dictionaries seem to mis-define the term "selection" rather badly. In particular, selection in biology is *not*: "a natural process resulting in the evolution of organisms best adapted to their environment" ....or anything remotely like it :-( -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim{at}tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply. --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 7/6/04 9:59:01 PM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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