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echo: barktopus
to: Antti Kurenniemi
from: Geo.
date: 2006-12-31 15:12:14
subject: Re: ice island

From: "Geo." 

"Antti Kurenniemi"  wrote in
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> First some ice-core measurements:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png . It seems
> from that image that the cycles are pretty identical, and that we're
> currently pretty much on top of one of the peaks of the temperature curve.
> You'll notice how the temperature and carbon dioxide leves seem to go
> pretty much hand-in-hand.

I also notice how temperature drops and CO2 levels go up probably because
plants die when temperature drops? Plants take carbon out of the air.

> Then we have the carbon dioxide levels:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png . It
> matches with the previous picture, except for the last couple of centuries
> since the industrial revolution. That about doubles the last peak level to
> a leve that hasn't been measured anywhere in the timeline of the last
> 400.000 years.

This graph is slanted, it doesn't show the full graph, the magnify it to
prove a point and they don't mention other causes like the population
growth and the flushing of waste into the oceans.

> Then there's the carbin dioxide concentration levels in the past couple
> hundred years:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_History_and_Flux.png .
> Seems that recently, about since 1950, there is a definite turn upwards in
> the curve.

Ok now follow the logic, co2 levels rise and the earth warms, as it's
warming ice melts instead of forming so for peak co2 levels from thousands
of years ago all we can do is test what the levels were while the ice was
forming not while it was melting. So how do they know these levels are
abnormal?

It's obvious from all these graphs there have been changes that had nothing
to do with man, I still see no proof that it's not part of the normal
process. Measure ice cores forming today, oh you can't because the ice is
melting and large chunks of the ice shelf are breaking away, so we need a
different way to check.

Geo.

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