Guy Hoelzer  wrote in message
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> in article cblk8u$27qa$1{at}darwin.ediacara.org, William Morse at
> wdmorse{at}twcny.rr.com wrote on 6/26/04 10:00 PM:
> > It might not be considered
> > altruism by most, but in fact is, since being toxic doesn't help an
> > individual at first - the individual will still be killed by the
> > predator.The predator is likely thereafter to avoid the species - so it is
> > only after the toxicity gene has spread that it provides any advantage to
> > the bearer. The initial benefit has to be to other individuals who are
> > likely to share the gene - i.e. kin. Note here that the benefit does not
> > have to be only to kin - in the monarch butterfly example the benefit would
> > be to all monarch butterflies -  the benefit to kin only has to exceed the
> > cost to the individual.
> 
> I agree that this accurately represents the kin selection model.
> 

I do not. If the gene benefitted all monarch butteflies equally, and
carries any personal cost, then the gene is relatively unfit, and will
decrease in frequency.
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