John Edser wrote:
> Bob O'Hara wrote:
> 


>>>JE:-
>>>Hamilton requires the number of organism recipients
>>>to be >1 unless a single recipient clone is being supposed
>>>related r = 1.
>>
> 
>>BOH:-
>>This is actually not true: Hamilton's rule can still predict altruism if
>>b is large enough.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> You have disagreed that:
> "Hamilton requires the number of organism recipients
> to be >1 unless a single recipient clone is being supposed
> related r = 1."  Thus you argue that just one recipient
> can provide an inclusive fitness > 1! Please explain
> how such a event is possible within Hamilton's
> stated logic?
> 
If b is greater than 1, as I stated.

> AGAIN: Hamilton's value b was mostly
> donated to > 1 Darwinian selectees.

Has this ever been stated?  If so, where?



>>>JE:-
>>>at you have to prove
>>>is independent OR dependent effects. If
>>>they remain independent you have to prove if
>>>they can or cannot be simultaneous. Just assuming
>>>another level "has an effect" proves nothing
>>>at all.
>>
> 
>>BOH:-
>>*sigh*  You assume it has an effect, you measure the size of the
>>possible effect,  and then you decide (using some criterion) whether the
>>measured size is significant.  This is elementary scientific reasoning.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> Yes, you firstly establish that a "measured size is
> significant". Do you agree that such a
> size is only significant when it is a part of a
> _non_ random pattern? After a significant effect has
> been documented you have to produce testable
> theories (or hypothesis that are part of an
> existing testable theory) for the 4 classes
> proposed above.
> 
Usually the testable theory will come first - i.e. explaining why such a 
pattern might be expected.  The estimation of the size of the possible 
effect is the actual test of the theory.



Bob

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