> >>>>>>>JE:-
> >>>>>>>What I am arguing here is that Hamilton's
logic can only work
> >>>>>>>when the cost c remains _negative_ (in
strictly Darwinian
> >>>>>>>fitness terms). This means that at all
times, organism fitness
> >>>>>>>mutualism (OFM) and not organism fitness
altruism (OFA) is
> >>>>>>>operating in ALL valid cases of Hamilton's
rule, no exceptions.
>
>>>>>>>____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>So that I am not misunderstood: all
positive cases of c,
> >>>>>>>within the rule are invalid. This is because
> >>>>>>>all positive values of c remain  _ambiguous_ re: the
> >>>>>>>measuring OFA and OFM, as Dr O'Hara has
reluctantly agreed.
> >>>>>>>It is this point of logical ambiguity that
nobody wishes to
> >>>>>>>discuss, not even Dr O'Hara who agrees
that it does exist.
>
>>>>>>>____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>BOH:-
> >>>>>>John, please don't put words into my mouth.
> >>>>>

> >>>JE:-
> >>>I [did] not do anything of the sort.

> >>BOH:-
> >>I have never claimed that a positive value of c is ambiguous, so if you
> >>claim that I have, then you are putting words into my mouth.

> > JE:-
> > The statement that "a positive value of c is
> > ambiguous" is a simple deduction from
> > the reply you provided to the question that
> > I asked:

> BOH:-
> As I wrote in my last post, I do not find your deductions valid.  Hence,
> even if I am about that, my position that there is no ambiguity still
> stands, and you are still putting words into my mouth.

JE:-
Your charge that I am putting words into your
mouth stands refuted if what I suggested was
just a simple deduction from what you have said.
To test such a thing is only requires a
high school level of logic, so why are you refusing
to make such a test? What are you afraid of?

>snip<
> Fast footsteps, fading rapidly towards the bar

JE:-
I agree, you need to retreat to the
bar for a good stiff drink and rethink
the significance of what you have written
here...

Regards,

John Edser
Independent Researcher

PO Box 266
Church Pt
NSW 2105
Australia

edser{at}tpg.com.au
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