On 01-28-98 William Elliot wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello William and thanks for writing, 
  
 WE> WE> Hm, if sf = hf then we'd have zero spread?    
 
 WE> JB> Not sure, I have not written the differential equations. 
 WE> JB> However, my initial response would be no.  Reason, hf the  
 WE> JB> time, depicts a is linear path, sf the time, is the time  
 WE> JB> the pendulum moves in an -ARC-.   
 
 WE> Use the horizontal projection of the pendulum motion.  Frequency is 
 WE> the same.  
   
  Yep, sorry. 
  
 WE> JB> My source for such an example came from Paul Davies and 
 WE> JB> David Gribbons in the "Matter Myth."  Of interesting note,  
 WE> JB> Paul Davies and David Gribbons makes the distinction between  
 WE> JB> -DETERMINISTIC- and -PREDICTIABILITY-.  Pointing out, such  
 WE> JB> a system is -deterministic- but in some cases -NOT-  
 WE> JB> predictable.  Interesting, no.  
 
 WE> Determined by the theoretics of mathematics.  Unpredictable 
 WE> by the human lack of mathematical precise measurements of  
 WE> the initial starting position. 
   
  Yep. 
 
 WE> JB> IMO, they are; as, they show the so called "butterfly effect" 
 WE> JB> often evoked to justify global warming may in fact be bounded.  
 WE> JB> Those who use the "butterfly" effect, "small effects" to "hugh  
 WE> JB> effects" to justify global warming, -appear- to miss the fact 
 WE> JB> chaos is often bounded.  
 
 WE> The butterfly effect is wishful thinking by impotent New 
 WE> Age being for an omnipotent handle upon the universe.  It  
 WE> will go into effect as soon as I can get a hundred monkeys  
 WE> to endorse it. -) (100 monkey effect) 
    
  I agree, but there some here, in particular D. Day, who evoked 
"the butterfly effect" to promote global warming. 
  
 WE> WE> Now as you vary hf how does the spread change? 
 
 WE> JB> Not, sure, I haven't spent the time to write the differential 
 WE> JB> equations.  
 
 WE> Hm, how about a computer simulation or even a model? 
 
  Nope, not yet.  Haven't had the time. 
  
 WE> Actually the physics isn't simple as the movement of the 
 WE> pivot will impart momentum to the pendulum,  I'd imagine  
 
  You are correct movement of the pivot would impart momentum 
to the pendulum, but not sure the physics is complex, but I 
agree it would add more complexity to the physics of a simple 
pendulum motion.  
 
 WE> that at certain frequencies the pendulum could get quite a 
 WE> swing going. 
  
        [snip] 
 
  Your comments about alternative medicine were on target.  
  
 WE> WE> Any comments about the medical system or delivery of services? 
 WE> JB> I think the introduction of insurance and government is wrong.  
 
 WE> You have an alternative for medicare?  What's weird is the linking of 
 
  Yep, but one not likely to be instituted.  IMO, medicare is immoral; 
as, I view medicare the forcefull taking of money from some to give 
to another without their free consent.   
  My general response is to peripheralize medical decision making as 
much possible including pecuniary ones.  
  There are a couple of questions that need answering when addressing 
the question. 
  
 WE> health insurance to employer.  What do you think?  HMOs?  My 
 
  The link you express is another variant of the dissociation 
between patient, the one getting the service, physician and the 
one paying the bills which is IMO wrong or weird.   
  
 WE> experience with mother is that she'd get little service 
 WE> from an HMO, Hellish Mean Ordeal, if I didn't jump her thru  
 WE> all of those hoops.  As it was she was a day immobile for  
 WE> lack of a wheelchair 'cause they went by the cussed book. 
  
  And, IMO, more important, the HMO is an example of the dissociation 
between the one getting and giving the service and the one paying 
for the service.  
  IMO, the story would be quite different if the decision making 
was local, physician and patient. 
  
 WE> JB> IMO, what counts is the relationship between the patient and 
 WE> JB> physician without outside influences including pecuniary ones.    
 
 WE> Gosh, that would cut down on a doctors productivity as 
 WE> patient relationships take time to build.  
 
  Yes, it would, but it would also cut down on the high cost 
of health care with drastic increases in productivity 
and reductions in cost in other areans such as manufacturing; 
as, patients would then begin to question about tests, 
medications, etc. 
  I will relay to you several stories expressing the problem associated 
with the dissociation between who pays and who gets the service, 
as I see it.  
  I once asked a women, what would a Burger King cost, if all 
she had to do was pay, one pennie, every time, she wanted or 
needed a whopper? 
  Another story, an individual -once- on medicaid, asked, "do 
I really need that test?"  Followed by, "since, I -now- have to 
pay for any test done" with "I have no problem getting it if 
-someone- else would pay for it." 
 
Take care, 
John 
 
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