From: "none of your bus" 
To: hincks{at}bigpond.net.au, wa4guu{at}bellatlantic.net, ATM{at}shore.net
Reply-To: "none of your bus" 


Ok KIDS KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!

this board is for the discussion of Amature Telescope Making  ATM, not
political bullcrap.  If you feel you MUST continue your political
discussion, please email each other all you want but please dont also reply
to the ATM board as I for one, dont want to hear it.  If I did, I would
turn on the news and talk at the water cooler.

any questions???  good, now go to your rooms and behave


>
>You wrote the following in your original post:
>
>  >  One should also consider that a discussion of  "how to disable or
>interfere with the
>  > operation of a space based national defense asset" could be criminal.
>If
>someone you > have discussed this with attempts to do this (whether
>successful or not) and is
> > discovered are you a co-conspirator?
>
>And more recently:
>
> > You may have to prove that you had no intention of actually doing or
>attempting to do
>the crime.
>
>It's people like you who try to make people fear voicing their opinions
>that
>stifle freedom and the free world. It appears America is less and less able
>to speak freely without fear of interference and it is people like you who
>lead the charge.
>
> > Are you going to let some jackass murdering dictator bring all of
>civilization to its knees.
>
>Is a dictator a person who unilaterally tells everyone what to do? Who is
>the dictator? which nation is rapidly becoming the autocracy of the world?
>
> > The U. S. has the power AND THE OBLIGATION to use it when necessary to
> > maintain our way of life. When I say "our" I mean yours
and mine and all
>of the
> > peoples of free nations.
>
>and you also wrote:
>
>  > I will suggest to you that perhaps Americans are not arrogant.
>
>Power eh. well if that's not arrogant I'll boil a monkeys bum. Can you
>please put the two sentences "The US has the power and the
obligation" and
>"I will suggest to you that perhaps Americans are not arrogant in the same
>sentence.
>
> >     I certainly respect your right to disagree.  But I will exercise my
>right to
> > say you are an idiot. Reading your post I know who's side you are on.
>
>Ooh getting personal aren't we, So you know what side I'm on eh. That's got
>to be pretty arrogant methinks but your own President said "You're either
>with us or against us in the fight against terror."
>
>It seems that according to your logic if I am not with your President's
>current argument I must be against the US
>
>Many nations in the UN don't like that argument either and it is also an
>arrogant statement. It is akin to saying that there is only black and white
>or fire and water. A highly simplistic view of the world indeed. Is your
>way
>the only way to make a telescope or grind a mirror? There must be only one
>right or good way according this logic.
>
>Strong action should be taken against terrorists but I do object to
>arrogant, unilateral and undue use of power to force the world into a plan
>authored by one nation alone. What about cooperative action. Your
>President's current tactics at the UN border on undemocratic and that is to
>be resiled. Perhaps "regime change" is the only way for the
US :-) Is the
>winner of your last election Gore? still available?
>
>But then your whole argument is plainly internally inconsistent.
>
> > And the Iraq thing. Yes. It is about oil.
>
>Your words not mine.
>
>Now why do you think I might criticise people who use fear to stifle
>reasonable criticism and opinion. You attempted to use fear of regulation
>and prosecution to stifle innocent discussion about the laser pointers and
>again in an attempt to railroad the worlds opinion about the most
>appropriate course of action. See your next statement fear again. No wonder
>you tire and irritate me. I am so scared I think we should go to war to win
>the next Presidential election, get some oil and crush an easy target(s)?
>Can we beat China up next can we can we huh please.
>
> > Australia is a strong country with brave people but China would step on
>you in a
> > heartbeat. But we won't do that because we are in this together.  We
>need
>you
> > too. Why don't you get on board with the good side of the battle?
>
>As I have said you do not have to approve of tactics of fear,
>unilateralism,
>greed, arrogance to be on the side of the good and just and against
>terrorists who as you point out have also targeted my country. You do not
>have to necessarily respond by going for soft targets that have spurious
>links to terrorism. The US should lead by example and destroy it's own
>weapons of mass destruction.
>
>And you dare to talk about good and evil.
>
>Lastly you disgust me for posting my off-list post on-list.


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