John Edser wrote:
> "Anon."  wrote:-
> 
> 
>>>>>>>JE:-
>>>>>>>What I am arguing here is that Hamilton's logic
can only work
>>>>>>>when the cost c remains _negative_ (in strictly
Darwinian 
>>>>>>>fitness terms). This means that at all times,
organism fitness 
>>>>>>>mutualism (OFM) and not organism fitness
altruism (OFA) is
>>>>>>>operating in ALL valid cases of Hamilton's
rule, no exceptions. 
>>>>>>>____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>So that I am not misunderstood: all positive cases of c,
>>>>>>>within the rule are invalid. This is because
>>>>>>>all positive values of c remain  _ambiguous_ re: the 
>>>>>>>measuring OFA and OFM, as Dr O'Hara has
reluctantly agreed.
>>>>>>>It is this point of logical ambiguity that
nobody wishes to 
>>>>>>>discuss, not even Dr O'Hara who agrees that it
does exist.
>>>>>>>____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>BOH:- 
>>>>>>John, please don't put words into my mouth.  
>>>>>
> 
>>>JE:-
>>>I [did] not do anything of the sort. 
>>
> 
>>BOH:-
>>I have never claimed that a positive value of c is ambiguous, so if you 
>>claim that I have, then you are putting words into my mouth.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> The statement that "a positive value of c is 
> ambiguous" is a simple deduction from 
> the reply you provided to the question that 
> I asked:

As I wrote in my last post, I do not find your deductions valid.  Hence, 
even if I am about that, my position that there is no ambiguity still 
stands, and you are still putting words into my mouth.

It's clear that this thread too is not gonig to get anyhere, so I will 
merely repeat my plea that you desist from ascribing to me any views 
that I have not myself stated.  Now i will try and retire gracefully 
from this thread.

Bob

Fast footsteps, fading rapidly towards the bar




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