++> On Feb. 3/98 Keith Knapp wrote to David Martorana
 ++> SUBJECT: "IMMENSE ABSURDITIES"
 
 DM> DM>> The question has enormous meaning as the "something" option is
 DM> DM>> tricky once beyond religion........... ...that "something is",
 DM> DM>  IS the more absurd .
 
 DM> DB> I've been fooling with the idea of complete Chaos, and find
 DM> DB> that it supplies the usual idea of no-thing, except that the
 DM> DB> former is capable of generating the universe out of nothing.
 
 DM>> I tend to believe that both our conceptual and vocabulary
 DM>> limits are somewhat against us. We are probably dealing with
 DM>> elements of existence that are (for now) a bit beyond what
 DM>> the human mind can shape into meaning.
 
 KK> I agree.  Gambling has been described as a tax on people who
 KK> cannot understand statistics.  The H. sap. brain seems to
 KK> compulsively find order, even in places where there is no order.
 KK> It seems to be incapable of grasping situations where there is
 KK> no order.
 
     Was not sure how you meant "gambling" in our peeks into the
     "what is-zzzs'". I thought on it overnight, and it came to me
     that the obvious is oft overlooked. Assuming I read you reasonable,
     our species, beneath our everyday operettas, is WAGERING serious
     that we ARE importantly important in a most wonderful unfurling
     happenstance (realizing that clear vocabulary is a bit wanting
     in pursuit of such  "WHAT?" wagers. Searchers in such unknowable
     (difficult) jungles often coin new terms because the old ones are
     covered over in moss meanings. The ODDS are perhaps EVEN  that
     we ARE important ....Yes ?????????????????????????????????  oo  ?
 
 DM> DB> Both 'nothing' and 'chaos' lack any means of discerning any
 DM> DB> sort of system or separation between 'this' and 'that'.
 
 DM>> "nothing" and "chaos" may NOT lack discernment. We might
 DM>>  entertain the notion that there are other "LOGICS", instead
 DM>>  of trying to beat to death that little we know. Likely that
 DM>>  WE (a we bit arrogant) are the element lacking discernment!
 DM>>  I feel that our being mired in "old thinking" limits what we
 DM>>  might have the capability to yet know! .......just a private
 DM>>  wager-ish notion.
 
 KK> Keep in mind that the human brain seems to be wired to find pattern
 KK> and meaning, and has a powerful emotional need to do so.  What will
 KK> it find when the only 'patterns' are random?
 
     It would likely keep tuning the dial till a recognition hit!
     I believe it some more complex in design than *just* patterns
     or not patterns or even other-ish alien of patterns. The human
     mind is wired to gender life ???    (often in very complex-to-
     unreasonable patterns of its own).  "Pattern recognition" is a
     process tool; and "emotional need", a guidance-goad to keep the
     mission in sync. To effect this gender/husbandry function, we are
     allowed some necessary freedoms in "consciousness" which is
     essentially a "working dimension". There would likely be an
     unlimited number of such working dimensions creatable to need.
     Though the consciousness dimension seems very awesome-pervasive
     -broad to us, that is only because we are not privy to any
     others (probably require otherish senses also). Such "others"
     would only come into a working grasp if needed for mission-
                                        .......or by accident? 
 
     ......such are SOME extra views nearly clear & reasonable
     to me (far as they go)....
 
                  *            ((--, @@  ... Dave
 
 
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