"John Edser"  wrote in message
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> Name And Address Supplied wrote:-
> 
> > > JM:-
> > > The only proper answer to the question "What is
> > > the difference between +c and -c?" is "2c"! 
>  
> > NAS:-
> > Hear hear!
> 
> JE:-
> This silly nomenclature business is more 
> evasion. VERY CLEARLY I was using "+" and "-" 
> as an abbreviation and was NOT forming 
> an equation!

This was not at all clear. And even if it were, it was not clear what
the symbols were abbreviations for.

I commented because I think that the previous exchange highlighted a
theme. You consistently accuse us of being evasive, however in reality
we are bending over backwards to try to understand what it is that you
are trying to say. Your jargon and symbols are non-standard to say the
least. This is your problem, your fault, not ours.

To put it another way: if you ask a silly question you will get a
silly answer. If you want to know what the difference between -c and
+c is, and you don't want the answer 2c, then you had better
reformulate the question.

> The BIG issue remains: Hamilton's rule cannot
> discriminate between just a _phoney_ altruistic gene:
> a gene that provides a relative loss, but also an
> absolute _gain_ for the actor, and a _real_ altruistic 
> gene: a gene that provides an absolute loss for the
> actor. Hamilton's measure is no better than
> the fraudulent accounting that bankrupted Enron
> where debits became credits. Hamilton cannot tell
> a fitness debit (an absolute loss) from a fitness credit 
> (an absolute gain)! NAS has yet to respond to any of 
> these BASIC charges.

Because you are unintelligible. Give me a worked example, without
short cuts, and it might be a little clearer to us as to what you are
up to.

> It appears to me that because "Name and Address
> Supplied" does not supply either his/her name or his/her
> address (!) he/she is willing to involve himself/herself
> in a public discussion of this issue.

I do publicly involve myself in such discussion, with my name and
address(es) freely available, and I do this in the most appropriate
arena - the peer reviewed primary literature.
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