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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Ellen K.
date: 2007-01-07 20:54:44
subject: Re: High blood pressure? - have a drink

From: Ellen K. 

Well, I could try it.  Mine is bad in the morning... which makes sense
considering I wake up with anxiety.   :(

I do drink a lot of green tea, I like it.  But I didn't know it lowered
blood pressure.

So, how did old age suddenly sneak up on us like this?

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:15:01 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message :

>If your stomach can tolerate it, an aspirin at night helps in lowering blood
>pressure
>
>http://www.webmd.com/content/article/111/110194.htm
>
>--
>While I was working I found that long walks would help me with the stress
>
>I try to make veggies a part of my diet and as for garlic I take some daily
>garlic capsules. I also drink at least a pot of green tea a day. It
>supposedly helps with blood pressure ( studies on cholesterol are mixed )
>plus I just love tea.
>
>
>"Ellen K."  wrote in message
>news:fqq2q29doolltc45goeke6n76r1rsd9l62{at}4ax.com...
>>I don't like medication but after ending up in the ER with 233/158,
>> reluctantly agreed to lisinopril, but not the "water
pill" the doctor
>> also wanted to prescribe.  I am no longer young and also not thin, but
>> being that the bp problems started when work stress ratcheted up I feel
>> sure it is the work stress.  I dearly wish I had a magic wand I could
>> wave that would enable me to retire but I can't afford to yet.
>> Thankfully I have managed to lose about 10 lbs but that is still a long
>> way from thin.
>>
>> I eat one banana per day and a ton of veggies.  Because I need to get my
>> triglycerides down I'm not allowed more than 3 fruits per day so I don't
>> want to use two of them on bananas.  (Actually I think cantaloupe might
>> have more potassium than bananas, not sure though.)  If a meal includes
>> something processed I will use a salt substitute on the part I make
>> myself to even it out, but I'm not supposed to use salt substitute
>> exclusively on this medication.
>>
>> Does the aspirin do something for blood pressure?  I'm really not clear
>> on that.  I do eat raw garlic almost every day.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:03:11 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
>>  wrote in message
:
>>
>>>I was on some medication to start but I found that the RESPeRATE did as
>>>good
>>>a job as the medication in keeping the BP down so I threw away the Caduet
>>>as
>>>I'd like to stay away from drugs if possible. My bp problems are more
>>>age/weight related. I make a decent attempt to eliminate salt but I do
>>>lapse
>>>occasionally ( I have an addiction to potato chips ) so I'm not
entirely a
>>>good role model in a salt free diet. As a daily bp lowering
diet I also do
>>>an aspirin and  2 bananas
>>>
>>>As to stress the biggest reduction that I've noticed has been due to my
>>>being  fortunate enough to have retired so I doubt I can help there.
>>>About
>>>3 months after I retired I really finally noticed the lask of stress that
>>>was job related
>>>
>>>As you, I do feel better after longer sessions with the
RESPeRATE. I start
>>>out with the 15 minute default , increase it to 30 ( another 3 - 5 minute
>>>sessions ) and might increase it further depending on how well I'm doing
>>>and
>>>how much time I have.  On some rare occasionions (in an hour session)
>>>I've
>>>hovered around the 2.5 bpm rate at the end and really felt great/relaxed
>>>after completion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ellen K."  wrote in message
>>>news:ugj2q2hvpe1srnstt5ts3uejb73be5d069{at}4ax.com...
>>>> Do you do a 30-minute session, or two shorter ones?   I did already
>>>> lengthen the default session from 15 minutes to 20, and
honestly I think
>>>> that for me those last five minutes might be the most beneficial, I
>>>> really get into a good place.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the sensor, I figured out that placing it is
easier if I first
>>>> put my hand on my upper abdomen to see where the greatest breathing
>>>> movement occurs, then put the sensor there.
>>>>
>>>> I am starting around 8 and ending up around 5, this is after I guess
>>>> about 3 weeks of use.
>>>>
>>>> Is your bp stress-related?  If so, do you have any helpful
hints for not
>>>> getting aggravated?
>>>>
>>>> Are you on a low-salt diet?  Any good tricks to share on that?
>>>>
>>>> Are you also on medication?  If so what and how is it
working for you?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:46:58 -0500, "Rich
Gauszka" 
>>>> wrote in message :
>>>>
>>>>>I've been using a RESPeRATE for a little over a year
now ( at least 30
>>>>>minutes a day ) and , as you do, find it beneficial and
quite relaxing
>>>>>after
>>>>>a session. I still have little trouble at times getting
the breath
>>>>>sensor
>>>>>placed right though.   After using it regularly, now  I
usually start at
>>>>>about 5 breaths a minute and finish somewhere in the
low to mid 3 range.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ellen K." 
wrote in message
>>>>>news:ic21q2tb2662eqn6bgs95g78688f0ftica{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>> Unless the person has high triglycerides.  People with high
>>>>>> triglycerides are advised to stay away from alcohol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My take on why the wine works is that it relaxes a
person, so it would
>>>>>> help people whose high blood pressure is stress-related.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently developed high blood pressure which is definitely
>>>>>> stress-related, but my triglycerides are too high,
so the wine cure is
>>>>>> out, at least for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did however buy a "RESPeRATE" and am
finding it very beneficial...
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is clinically proven to reduce blood pressure if
used regularly for I
>>>>>> think 6 to 8 weeks.  It uses music to guide your
respiration rate to
>>>>>> under 10 per minute; spending at least 40 minutes
per week in the
>>>>>> therapeutic breathing zone for 6 to 8 weeks
reduces blood pressure by
>>>>>> relaxing the small muscles surrounding the blood
vessels.  Then you
>>>>>> maintain it by continuing to use it three times a
week.  I feel very
>>>>>> good at the end of a session, it is a better
relaxation than a glass
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> wine actually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:58:08 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
>>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>'When the scientists linked alcohol use and
heart problems, they found
>>>>>>>though that the chances of suffering a heart
attack were lower among
>>>>>>>men
>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>consumed one or two drinks a day.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in
_article_id=425881&in_page_id=1774
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Men with high blood pressure can cut their risk
of heart attacks by
>>>>>>>indulging in a daily tipple, say scientists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the UK, around 16 million people - more than
one in four - have
>>>>>>>high
>>>>>>>blood pressure, or hypertension.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Traditionally doctors advise sufferers to
increase their activity
>>>>>>>levels,
>>>>>>>cut salt consumption and eat fewer high fat
foods to reduce the
>>>>>>>likelihood
>>>>>>>of suffering a heart attack, stroke or kidney damage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now a new study has suggested they should also
recommend patients have
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>daily drink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Researchers found men with high blood pressure
had a lower risk of
>>>>>>>heart
>>>>>>>attack if they had one or two alcoholic drinks,
such as a couple of
>>>>>>>glasses
>>>>>>>of wine, each day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The discovery adds to evidence of how alcohol
in moderation can be
>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>the health.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Other studies have shown a daily drink can help
boost levels of
>>>>>>>protective
>>>>>>>cholesterol in the blood, cut the risk of heart
attacks and may even
>>>>>>>lead
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>a longer life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The research however is the first to look at
whether similar benefits
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>seen in people with high blood pressure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The study was led by Joline Beulens of
Wageningen University in the
>>>>>>>Netherlands who at the time was a visiting
scholar at Harvard School
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>Public Health.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Miss Beulens used data on 11,711 men with high
blood pressure who were
>>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>of a major study involving those working in the
health profession.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every four years participants filled out a
questionnaire including
>>>>>>>details
>>>>>>>of how often they drank beer, red wine, white
wine and spirits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The research team also looked at how many
suffered heart attacks,
>>>>>>>heart
>>>>>>>disease and strokes between 1986 and 2002.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>During this time a total of 653 heart attacks
occurred of which 279
>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>fatal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When the scientists linked alcohol use and
heart problems, they found
>>>>>>>though
>>>>>>>that the chances of suffering a heart attack
were lower among men who
>>>>>>>consumed one or two drinks a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A drink was defined as being a glass of wine or
a single shot of
>>>>>>>spirits.
>>>>>>>Miss Beulens said: "This was the first
study to our knowledge that
>>>>>>>examined
>>>>>>>the risk of heart attacks among men with high
blood pressure who drank
>>>>>>>moderately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Men diagnosed with hypertension probably
get a lot of advice on how
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>change their lifestyle, physical activity and diet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"This study indicates that if they drink
alcohol in moderation they
>>>>>>>may
>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>need to change their drinking habits."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However she urged men not to have three drinks
a day, as this
>>>>>>>increases
>>>>>>>their blood pressure and risk of an attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Our findings are not a license for men
with hypertension to
>>>>>>>overindulge,"
>>>>>>>she said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because the study only looked at men the
authors said it is impossible
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>say whether or not the findings also apply to women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fellow researcher Kenneth Mukaml, an associate
professor at Harvard
>>>>>>>Medical
>>>>>>>School, said people with high blood pressure
should discuss their
>>>>>>>alcohol
>>>>>>>intake with their doctor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"However our results suggest that men with
high blood pressure seem to
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>the same lower risk associated with moderate
drinking that other men
>>>>>>>do,"
>>>>>>>he
>>>>>>>said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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