Name And Address Supplied wrote:-

> > > > JE:-
> > > > The BIG issue remains: Hamilton's rule cannot
> > > > discriminate between just a _phoney_ altruistic gene:
> > > > a gene that provides a relative loss, but also an
> > > > absolute _gain_ for the actor, and a _real_ altruistic 
> > > > gene: a gene that provides an absolute loss for the
> > > > actor. Hamilton's measure is no better than
> > > > the fraudulent accounting that bankrupted Enron
> > > > where debits became credits. Hamilton cannot tell
> > > > a fitness debit (an absolute loss) from a fitness credit 
> > > > (an absolute gain)! NAS has yet to respond to any of 
> > > > these BASIC charges.

> > > NAS:-
> > > Because you are unintelligible. Give me a worked example, without
> > > short cuts, and it might be a little clearer to us as to what you are
> > > up to.

> > JE:-
> > Here is the example you requested. It
> > is unambiguous and totally "intelligible"
> > but I suspect you will never acknowledge 
> > it as such:
> > --------------quote----------------------
> > 
> > 1) 22/01/2004:
> > 
> > JE:-
> > What is the difference between
> > a reduced positive c and a negative c?
> > If c was an abolute measure of fitness
> > then yes, a real difference exists. However
> > c is only a relative fitness cost and not
> > an absolute fitness cost, so what is the
> > difference?
> > 
> > BOH:-
> > 
> > As far as the rule is concerned, none.
> > 
> > ----------- end quote --------------------
> > 
> > Do you agree or disagree with Dr O'Hara's
> > answer in the quote (above)? 

> NAS:-
> I'm not sure I even know what *you* mean by c. If we are talking about
> the direct marginal cost in Hamilton's rule, then there is a
> difference: positive c is a cost, negative c is a benefit.

>snip<

JE:-
No ambiguity exists in the above quote which only
deals with what _Hamilton_ meant as a cost and has
nothing at all to do with what I mean as a cost. 

Please answer the question put to you: 
Do you agree or disagree with Dr 
O'Hara's answer in the quote (above)? 
A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

Also:
What is "a marginal fitness cost"?
Does it differ to BOTH a relative 
AND absolute fitness cost?

Regards,

John Edser
Independent Researcher

PO Box 266
Church Pt
NSW 2105
Australia

edser{at}tpg.com.au
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