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to: jeff
from: Adam Flinton
date: 2004-10-29 13:29:40
subject: Re: Another American great power?

From: Adam Flinton 

jeff wrote:

> Adam Flinton wrote:
>
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Flinton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:11:13 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:47:40 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only reason a country has
invested (in the past) in
>>>>>>>>>> rockets is   when  they have a
serious explosive payload to
>>>>>>>>>> deliver.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   That's news to the Japanese, who
have their own launch capacity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> & their own nuclear power plants &
the ability to assemble
>>>>>>>> weapons if   required (e.g by North Korea or China).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, in a similar postion to the
Brazilians or the Iranians.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most possibly much further along in many
ways (certainly than
>>>>>>>> the   Iranians).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Actually I expect Japan, Taiwan and South
Korea to go nuclear,
>>>>>>> especially  if Kerry wins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it has nothing to do with who is the US president. China is
>>>>>> becoming the  predominant power in the area &
they will set the pace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see Kerry moving to defend Taiwan if China
invades?  I don't
>>>>> think  so and I'm reasonably sure the Taiwanese don't either.
>>>>> Ditto for the  other two.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't see Bush doing it either. There is only one way for the US
>>>> to defend Taiwan & that is via nukes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, sticking a couple aircraft carriers and a a few submarines has
>>> done the trick in the past.
>>>
>>
>> Key phrase...In the past.
>>
>> How long do you think such a formation (at least the surface vessels)
>> would survive against today's PRC?
>>
>> Modern su-27 en mass + sunburn asm'es will make a mess of a cvbg.
>>
>>
>>> The Chinese know that if they take those out... they are going to
>>> have even less usable real estate than they started with.
>>
>>
>>
>> & the US knows that posters & photos of "old New
York", "Old
>> Washington" "Old LA" etc will have to be saved for posterity.
>>
>> Adam
>
>
> You know, in America it's not too difficult to legally change your name.
> I think Adam & Robert Chamberlin has a nice ring to it.

You know in the UK it's not difficult to change your name. I think Jeff
& Buck Turgidson has a nice ring to it.

Adam

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