From: "Robert G Lewis" 

Thanks

I'll be looking at some of those links. I do check some of them on a
regular basis but not all.

I agree about headlines being er hyped up, that's been true for all recent
administrations imho.  I don't think the MSM is that biases just very
sloppy. Going for the quick blockbuster story too often by reporters who
don't have the experience or knowledge to validate stories.

I think the bad news may be worse than reported as too many of the sources
have an interest in portraying things in a positive light. But a lot
depends on the interpretation of the event.

I can't read Dowd. I don't know why but something just causes me to skip
her. Just don't like her style of writing.

I enjoy articles by Dave Sirota and Joe Conason. Both liberal but they seem
to get their facts right. Since they are both regulars on Air America I
enjoy it when they correct Al Franken on things. It does appear they want
to get the facts correct.

Needless to say I don't agree with you on how well a lot of this is going
.

Bob Lewis


"Mark"  wrote in message
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>I don't think it's as simple as just getting the "news." Off
the top of my
>head I'd say there are three required steps in gathering enough information
>to come to a reasoned conclusion: 1) The original reporting in any of many
>main stream media sources, 2) News analysis sources, and 3) Opinion pieces
>via both "established" sources and more personal opinions/input such as
>blogs or similar compilations such as the various think tanks. 2) & 3) do
>overlap in varying degrees.
>
> 1) News:  I usually start at news.google which results in stories from a
> variety of sources such as the NYTimes, LATimes, Boston Globe, UK papers
> etc. as well as multiple instances of the same stories via AP and the
> NYTimes services that get regurgitated across the country.
>
> 2) News Analysis: I subscribe to the Atlantic and New Republic for the
> more liberal version and National Review and Weekly Standard for the
> conservative version. (though my Weekly Standard subscription runs out
> next week and I'll not be renewing - not because I don't think they have
> useful input, just that most of their stuff is available free immediately
> or shortly after it's put up in "protected" mode. I also
browse the Nation
> (but they are way too far-left to spend much time on), Mother Jones
> (pretty left, but more reasonable than Nation), National Journal (middle
> of the road, essays available usually on Friday's until replaced the
> following week), BusinessWeek, Newsweek, Time, USNews&World Report, etc.
>
> 3) Opinion Pieces: The various Op-Eds; Krugman and Dowd for a sure giggle
> (although Dowd is so off the wall lately that I've not bothered, Safire
> and Brooks for a more reasoned look. ABC's "The Note," TownHall
> columnists, American Thinker, Campaign Desk, RealClearPolitics, Hudson
> Institute, Policy Review (quarterly), TechCentralStation, Reason. As far
> as Blogs:
>
> http://www.andrewsullivan.com/
> http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/
> http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/
> http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/
> http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp
> http://www.danieldrezner.com/blog/
> http://billroggio.com/
> http://www.instapundit.com/
> http://www.intel-dump.com/
> http://oxblog.blogspot.com/
> http://www.powerlineblog.com/
> http://www.rogerlsimon.com/
> http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
> http://trans-int.blogspot.com/
> http://volokh.com/
>
> As well as a variety of Iraqi blogs already posted elsewhere by someone.
>
> In short, I've found that headlines are often exaggerations (especially if
> the story has anything remotely connected to showing Bush or our military
> in a bad light) and often as well, are not even supported by the content
> of the articles. Essentially, I trust nothing I read in the MSM without
> first finding out the rest of the story elsewhere. Mostly, the bad news
> isn't as bad as it's portrayed and the good news (when reported on at all)
> is better than is let on. Chenkroff, above, does both an Afghanistan and
> Iraq good news series every couple of weeks.
>
> "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
> news:419e2c9a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Just where do you get your news ?
>>
>> Bob Lewis
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>> Shinseki had his input, as did other generals of similar rank, the
>>> ultimate decision was made based on that input. You believe the decision
>>> was wrong, you're entitled to crow your opinion from highest tree-tops
>>> for as long as you like, to no avail though, as it is past history.
>>>
>>> The decision was made and there is nothing, now that the election is
>>> past and the administration was given a vote of confidence by the
>>> public, to be gained by the media playing up bad news inordinately to
>>> the exclusion of the good. The facts are that Iraqi elections will be
>>> held in January and the future of the Iraqi people, not to mention that
>>> of people all through the region, is brighter than it has ever been -
>>> thanks to taking action vs. spending another few decades in that
>>> debating society run (for now) by Kofi Annan.
>>>
>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>> news:u17sp05ii4p1kf88jsg1sqceddhf293638{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:28:27 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In this particular vigorouis debate, Kerry's overused
talking point
>>>>>(Shinseki), was on the losing side of same debate.
>>>>
>>>> Shinseki isn't a "talking point", he's a
four-star general, just one
>>>> example of the Bush Admin's refusal to listen to
dissenting opinions.
>>>>
>>>>>Honestly, I
>>>>>had hoped a good portion of the unending gloom and doom
would fade away
>>>>>with
>>>>>Kerry, but I suppose that was wishful thinking.
>>>>
>>>> Kerry was never the reason for the gloom and doom, Bush
policies were,
>>>> and are.  I realize that you, like Bush himself, would prefer that
>>>> people who oppose his policies just go away, but that isn't going to
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, without people of opposing opinion, you'll have no one to
>>>> blame if and when the Iraq misadventure ends badly.  This way you'll
>>>> be able to blame it on protestors and the media, as you
still do with
>>>> Vietnam, despite all evidence to the contrary.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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