From: "Robert G Lewis" 

Mush as I hate to say it I almost agree with you.

My take is that Rumsfield etc may have listened but didn't let that
interfere with their decisions and preconceived notions. I doubt very much
that Bush heard much from those opposed to the Iraqi war.

Bob Lewis

"Mark"  wrote in message
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> Sorry John, but your whole premise below sounds like sound bites from a
> Moore DVD.
>
> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:30:04 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Cuccia"  wrote in message
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>>>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:54:21 -0500, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Shinseki had his input, as did other generals of similar rank,
>>>>
>>>> How do you know that?
>>>
>>>It goes to simple common sense. Can you honestly, and soberly, imagine it
>>>occurring any other way? I can't.
>>
>> Unfortunately, in the case of this administration, I can.  Rummy and
>> his sidekick Wolfy thought their new high-tech military could do it
>> quickly and cheaply, believing (based on "intelligence"
from the slimy
>> Chalabi) that their would be no resistance once Saddam's army was
>> defeated.  Wolfowitz went so far as to tell Congress that their would
>> be no insurgency because Iraq didn't have a history of ethnic strife.
>>
>> I honestly believe that the first the Administration heard of
>> Shineski's estimate was when he was badgered into making it during a
>> congressional hearing.  The next day Wolfowitz testified before the
>> same committee, where he displayed his appalling ignorance of Iraqi
>> history.
>>
>> No one who engages in open debate could have been that ignorant.
>>
>> The Bushies bit so hard on the Chalabi line that they didn't even
>> consider planning for the occupation (except for protecting the oil
>> ministry, of course).
>>
>
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