-=> On 02-15-98  07:58, David Bloomberg said to Ivy Iverson,<=-
-=>"About Skeptics are sometimes wr...,"<=-
-=> In a msg to Jack Sargeant on , Ivy Iverson of 1:154/170
 DB> writes: 
 
Hi, David;
 
Re: Galileo...
 
 II> ... Patch is telling me as I type this that he said, "Do not take on
 II> faith, anything without a solid basis of evidence."
 DB> Wow.  That would pretty much decimate ufology!
 II> So the question begs, "What is `solid evidence?'"
 DB> Something that ufology is missing.
 
I will agree to a point, HOWEVER a tru-blu SKEPTIC will refuse to believe
what little evidence does exist, simply because it COULD have been faked!
Yes, pictures have been faked for years, and can now be faked in minutes
using a computer, so pictures by themselves are automatically suspect,
EVEN THOUGHT THERE _MAY_ BE SOME GENUINE UFO PHOTOGRAPHS!  _IF_ there are
any GENUINE UFO pictures, (stills, movies or videotape), how would/could
they be verified as not faked?  Then _IF_ they are genuine, how can we
tell if they are something which IS explainable as natural and native to
this planet OR verify it as "something else from somewhere else"?  So the
question now becomes, _IF_ a picture, (still or moving), can be validated
as genuine, how is anyone going to determine if the object(s) originate on
Earth or have another source?  So, if you can't come up with a physical
object which is VERIFYABLY not of Earth origin, (and since there are only
so many elements - all available on this planet, BTW), the final question,
I guess, is, "WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE EVIDENCE?"  If I were to witness a UFO 50
feet over my head, and I saw it drop some small object, which turned out
to be made of, say, a titanium and aluminum alloy, and it had "strange
markings" on it, would THAT constitute "evidence" which you would accept?
Probably not, because I _COULD_ have gone to a machine shop and had such a
piece made.  No, the majority of what _I_ have accepted as evidence is
when personal friends, people who are NOT prone to spinning yarns, and who
do NOT discuss their experiences with strangers for fear of ridicule,
describe to me, in private, stories of their abductions and other ET/UFO
experiences.  Add to that, the statements of EX-military people who
_claim_ to have been involved with such matters on a highly-classified
military level, who state that they believe that this information should
be made public.  Ok, the latter is NOT any kind of proof/evidence by
itself, however when you listen to and CONSIDER what many different people
have independantly stated, the pieces start fitting together, and you can
sort them into two groups: the ones where the pieces fit, and the ones
that don't... And Bob Lazar just does NOT fit!!!  (BTW, this is how the
military intelligence works: They take one piece of evidence from here,
another piece from there, and another piece from somewhere else, and they
come up with a picture of the facts, just like a jigsaw puzzle!)  So I do
_NOT_ believe everything that I see/hear, as much as you might like to
believe otherwise.
 
As far as the "There is no way that someone else from somewhere else
can get here" school of thought:  We basicaly know what _OUR_ technology
can do, however we don't have the foggiest idea of what the technology
of some other race that developed maybe 10 or 100 or 1,000 light years
from here - a race which may be 10,000 years ahead of us - can do.  Stop
and think how much OUR technology has lept foreward in the last 100
years:  A hundred years ago man had never flown in a heavier-than-air
aircraft, and now we have walked on the Moon.  100 years ago the nearest
things to a computer were the abacus and the slide rule, (which may only
have been invented a century ago for all I know), now you have a computer
on the desk in front of you that can do more calculations in one second
than you could do in a lifetime with a slide rule and paper!  A hundred
years ago our main transportation was powered by horses, now we have
hundreds of horsepower under the hood, and we can travel all day at a
mile a minute instead of 20 miles an hour with rest periods every so
often for the horses.  If this illustrates the progress we have made in
a short century - an eyeblink in history - how much more could be done by
our technology in another thousand years?  Or ten thousand years?  Is it
just POSSIBLE that another technology has broken the light barrier?  Our
theoriticians say it MIGHT be done.  I won't discount the POSSABILITY.
So I PERSONALLY consider the "They're too far away" school of though to
be an invalid issue.  OUR technology AT THIS TIME can't take us to Alpha
Proxima or Galaxy Center AT THIS TIME, but that does not mean that they -
if they exist - can't get here!  (Sorry, Jack, we'll have to disagree on
this point.)
 
Catch you later... Keep l00king up!
   Ivy
 
 
 
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