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from: Tim Tyler
date: 2004-08-04 12:34:00
subject: Re: Characterizing comple

Guy Hoelzer  wrote or quoted:
> dkomo at dkomo871{at}comcast.net wrote on 8/2/04 10:00 AM:
> > Olivier d'ANHOFFRE wrote:

> >> We can define "complexity" as "organized
information".
> > 
> > The term "organized information" seems redundant.  I
can't envision
> > "disorganized information."   If you can, please give an example.
> > Otherwise, I agree that complexity and information are correlated, but
> > have different meanings.
> 
> I agree.  Information is about pattern and structure (it can be static),

This is not true of Shannon's information.  Shannon's definition of
information refers to whether the data is suprising - and makes no
mention of whether it refers to pattern or structure.

> while complexity is about the temporal coherence of process. [...]

This is not true of Kolmogorov's notion of complexity.  Complexity
is generally regarded as a concept with no implication of a temporal
element - and can be used to describe both totally static systems and 
dynamical systems.
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