On 16/02/2021 19:15, TimS wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2021 at 12:18:41 GMT, Pancho 
> wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/2021 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>   On 16/02/2021 10:56, Pancho wrote:
>>>>   On 16/02/2021 10:39, Nikolaj Lazic wrote:
>>>>>   Dana Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:28:39 +0000, Joe  napis'o:
>>>>>>   On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:17:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>   Nikolaj Lazic  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Dana Tue, 16 Feb 2021 02:24:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>>    napis'o: [snip]
>>>>>>>>   But what do you mean by 'editor'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I wouldn't use it to write a book in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Why not?
>>>>>>>   Even vim is enought to write any book in LaTeX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   You could probably do that in Edlin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   But there's a big difference between 'enough' and 'I would use it by
>>>>>>   preference'.
>>>>>
>>>>>   But I do prefere vim and I do prefere LaTeX for anything that needs to
>>>>>   look right... as a proper document or a book.
>>>>>   And yes, I do prefere keyboard over mouse. :) It's faster!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Yes, we all know a proper vi user uses h j k l instead of cursors, so
>>>>   they don't move their fingers from the touch typing default position.
>>>>
>>>>   Back in 1995 the team I worked on was allowed to switch c++
>>>>   development from unix/vi to the Microsoft C++ IDE, pretty much
>>>>   everyone switched.
>>>>
>>>   back in the day we could either edit in vi on the PDP 11, or use
>>>   wordstar on DOS and upload the code for compilations. I don't think
>>>   anyone worked in vi from choice except for minor mods.
>>>   I cant remember how we uploaded the code either - there was certainly no
>>>   TCP/IP - must have been over serial.
>>
>> One of the guys I worked with wrote an emacs like editor for DEC, when
>> we moved from VMS to ultrix/sparcs he used vi, even after he got a unix
>> port of his editor.
>>
>> The funny thing coding full time with vi is that my fingers didn't
>> forget it even after decades of not using it. I found it hard to
>> verbalise the keys I was using but my fingers just seemed to know.
>
> Daer oh dear. Hopeless, isn't it. I remember - and it must be 30 years ago
now
> - when the Lab I worked at got a few unix machines. I was given an Ultrix box
> and told to get on with doing something with it. So I started to use it for
> network monitoring using SNMP.
>
> Previously, most of us had been using editors that made various uses of ASCII
> terminals - Ann Arbor Ambassadors mostly that could give you 43 lines on the
> screen and pretend to be full-screen by using cursor addressing.
>
> So everyone assumed we'd continue doing much the same, and the debate turned
> onto which editor everyone would be trained to use under unix. Would it be
vi,
> emacs, jove, something else. I got bored waiting for this debate to conclude,
> then found the Ultrix box had dxnotepad. So I spent 5 minutes learning how to
> use a mouse-based editor, and got on with writing large amounts of C. Six
> months later I found that the debate about which editor to use had made no
> progress, so I carried on using dxnotepad, which although not a patch on
> something like BBedit, was still better than any ASCII-terminal-based junk,
> all of which is obsolete. Why are they obsolete? Because they are bad tools.
> They require you to remember stuff just to use them. Even vi has a manual
that
> is 127 pages long. A *manual*? For a fucking *editor*? What are these guys
> smoking?
>
I don't remember ever reading vi's manual.
I just asked the bloke next to me. I think someone printed up a card
with the basic cursors on it

Someone else showed me basic regex search and replace and that's as far
as I needed to go to write probably a million pages of code


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