John Edser wrote:
>>>JE:-
>>>Note 1:
>>>All acts in Hamilton's rule are
>>>bilateral acts, i.e. at all times
>>>a selective force exists on _both_
>>>the recipient/recipients and the
>>>donor, no exceptions. Any argument
>>>that only a unilateral measure of
>>>fitness is required to be measured
>>>to allow the evolution of any behaviour
>>>within Hamilton's rule remains incorrect.
>>>
>>>Note 2:
>>>Because the recipient/recipients receive 
>>>something (b is positive) then the act has 
>>>to be a gain for them. Thus no selective 
>>>pressure exists on the recipient/
>>>recipients to act against any positive b 
>>>whereas when b becomes negative it does
>>>exist. This proves bilateral selective
>>>pressures exist when b is positive.
>>>
>>>The Question A:
>>>When b remains positive (spite is
>>>ignored) what is the difference between
>>>a _reduced_ positive c and a negative c?
>>>
>>>Biological translation of question A:
>>>What is the difference between just a
>>>_reduced_ donation and an investment
>>>as measured by Hamilton's rule?
>>>
>>>Dr O'Hara's unambiguous answer: 
>>>"As far as the  rule is concerned, 
>>>none."
>>
> 
> 
>>BOH 
>>I would just like to admit that this was ambiguous, which is why I have 
>>tried to clarify it.
>>You have also changed the question, to one which is different to the one 
>>I was answering (or at least thought I was answering), and my 
>>clarifications should clear this all up.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> Dr O'Hara now wishes to "clarify" his
> response now that he has more fully realised
> the deductive implications of his answer.

No John, my view has not changed, and this clarification is in the 
thread where I assume you took the quote from.

> In simple terms, Dr O'Hara is attempting
> to extricate himself from taking any
> responsibility for the answer he provided.
> He is also attempting to blame myself and 
> not himself for these actions. 
> __________________________________________
> Question A remains exactly the same
> as the original question I asked and
> Dr O'Hara's response remains totally 
> unambiguous. 
> 
> __________________________________________
> 
> Here is the quote again:
> --------------quote----------------------
> 
> 1) 22/01/2004:
> 
John ,would you mind posting the URL of the full message you've taken 
this from, I can't find it in the only message I posted on the 22nd.

Bob

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