From: "Antti Kurenniemi" 

Ok, so it's more the ideology than the current execution that you disagree
with. I was just wondering if you had some particular take on the current
state but that's cool enough.


Antti Kurenniemi
(I disagree to some extent, but damned if I can bother to get into that
argument right now )

"Mark"  wrote in message
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> It is distasteful to me, because of the basic underlying ideology that
> personal effort toward excellence and achievement is discouraged by an
> overwhelming involvement of the state. It's an ideology that ultimately
> considers all should be equal in terms of monetary reward/opportunity,
> i.e. discourage achievement and reward mediocrity.
>
> Capitalism encourages achievement - take away the incentive for that and
> you end up with mediocrity all around - as is well proven world-wide. Look
> at France, for instance, over 50% of their GDP goes to the state. When you
> give up half of all your potential to politicians, it serves as nothing
> but a damper on innovation and progress. This is why the EU is destined to
> failure, that is if it is ever actually consummated at all - doubtful.
>
>
> "Antti Kurenniemi" 
wrote in message
> news:41bd194c{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Just out of curiosity, why do you think that you're already
"too far down
>> the socialism path"? In what ways are you too far, and why is socialism
>> such a bad thing? I'm not talking about extremes and theory, but the
>> level that it exists in the US today.
>>
>> You probably already know it, but where I live we tend te bo quite proud
>> of the "socialism" we have, and I think that in
comparison to the states
>> we're pretty dang deep into it, yet I don't see it as a bad thing. So I'm
>> curious about why it's such a red flag to many Americans.
>>
>>
>> Antti Kurenniemi
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:41bd0efa$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> "My point is not that Canada is without sin on these
points (except for
>>> sports stadiums - we generally don't do that) it's just that you tend to
>>> notice someone else's "transgressions" more easily
than your own."
>>>
>>> That could be true, that I notice more, but I wish that it were not so
>>> (that I would notice Canada more), because I do think that we've already
>>> gone too far down the socialism path and I remain hopeful (but not quite
>>> optimistic) that Bush can move us away from that in his second term.
>>>
>>> In the short-term, nipping the government controlled healthcare, that so
>>> many clamor for, in the bud, is most important, but in the larger,
>>> longer term view, Social Security reform is just as important.
>>>
>>> I don't like the sports stadium collusion either (especially and most
>>> egregiously, when they take people's homes away from them for the
>>> "greater good" of a new stadium). Indeed if the fans had any
>>> balls/brains at all, they'd say thanks, but no thanks, we're not
>>> interested in paying huge bucks to watch steroid ingesting fools earn
>>> 100s of millions of dollars to hit fake leather balls over an ad-laden
>>> fence.

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