Perplexed in Peoria  wrote or quoted:
> "Guy Hoelzer"  wrote in message
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> > jimmenegay{at}sbcglobal.net wrote on 8/5/04 10:10 PM:

> > > Careful!  An autopoietic system and a dissipative structure
> > > are not necessarily the same thing.
> >
> > Hmm.  This is true in a trivial (IMHO) sense.  The radiator in your
> > car is a dissipative structure that is not an autopoietic system.
> 
> Hmmm.  Your definition of a dissipative structure is broader than
> mine.  Although a radiator has structure and dissipates, I would
> have never have thought to call it a dissipative structure sensu
> Prigogine.  It is not self-organizing.

IMO, a car radiator /is/ an emergent structure in a self-organising 
system - and thus qualifies as a dissipative structure.  It emerges
from a the dynamics of a larger system - which includes economic and 
human interactions.

A *particular* car radiator may not itself change - but the blueprint
for car radiators in the car factory certainly /can/ change - and
the whole system of which the car radiator is a component is certainly
self-organising.
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