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from: John Edser
date: 2004-08-09 12:52:00
subject: Re: What Is c Within Hami

> > JM:-
> > >The difference [that yields b and c] can
> > >be a difference between relative fitnesses or it can be a difference
> > >between absolute fitnesses.  It doesn't really matter, as long as
> > >you use the same kind of fitness difference for both
"b" and "c".
 
> > JE;-
> > It does matter within any science of biology because
> > only comparing relative fitnesses reduces the argument
> > to a non testable infinite regress. Do you require me
> > to expand this argument?

> JM:-
> Oh, there is no need to expand the argument if you are still
> using your non-standard definition of relative fitness.  Clearly,
> comparing relative fitnesses under your definition is the height
> of insanity.

JE:-
It does not matter at all what definition of relative fitness
you are using. Any relative assumption is a minimally bilateral
assumption, i.e. a comparison of at least two unilateral
fitnesses no exceptions. Any unilateral fitness is a total. Any 
suggestion that just a relative fitness assumption is required to
test evolutionary theory reduces the theory to a non
testable infinite regress where relative fitnesses are
endlessly compared to other relative fitnesses. Unless a 
fitness maximand is explicitly identified within evolutionary 
theory it is reduced to nonsense. I have provided that maximand:
Darwinian fitness. Hamilton et al have not provided
any competing maximand. Until they do they are only talking
relative fitness, nonsense.

> JM:-
> However, if you were using the standard definition of relative
> fitness - which is absolute fitness divided by a reference absolute
> fitness - then yes, please, expand the argument.  I don't see a
> problem.

JE:-
To save time and effort please
complete the form:

	"A DECLARATION OF MEANING"

I have no intention of repeatedly
asking you what you mean by x....

I have no idea what you mean by:

1) Absolute fitness.
2) Reference absolute fitness.

Regards,

John Edser
Independent Researcher

PO Box 266
Church Pt
NSW 2105
Australia

edser{at}tpg.com.au
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