From: "Robert G Lewis" 


"Gary Wiltshire"  wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:26:58 -0600, Robert G Lewis 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:41e74f0a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>> news:3rieu0phtjl8j0q7uapq5akck0gjb4qb87{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:46 -0800, Jeff Shultz
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:55:20 -0600, John Cuccia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:30:07 -0500,
"Mark" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they just told us it was about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice to see you finally admit that the
Bushies are lying sacks
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about all of them (note: lots prior to y2k)?
>>>>
>>>> They were all wrong; there's no disgrace in that
>>>>
>>>> The Bush people told us that we needed to go to war because of
>>>> Saddam's WMD capabilites.  Now they tell us that it wasn't
about WMD.
>>>> One of those statements is a lie.  They are liars.
>>>
>>> Yes the "Bush people" said that there were WMD and
they were wrong about
>>> the actual existence. That does not translate to a
"lie" which has been
>>> well established (though each time it is proven to you, you wait a few
>>> months and start up with the BS again and will go to your grave
>>> believing
>>> that they lied -- enjoy the trip).
>>>
>>> But the bigger picture remains that if a madman says he doesn't have
>>> WMD,
>>> do you believe him absent proof and cooperation? Obviously,
"you" do,
>>> but
>>> the rest of us are more prudent than that and remained so through
>>> 11/2...
>>> >> agree with the democrats," I guess he doesn't have
election day on his
>>> calendar>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Okay so its not a lie just very very bad judgment. That's supposed to
>> make
>> me feel better ?
>>
> WHOSE BAD JUDGMENT?  I'LL REPEAT WHAT ANOTHER POSTER INCLUDED.  NOTE THE
> DATES:
>
> "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
> develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
> is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
>
> "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
> We
> want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
> destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
>
> "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great
> deal
> here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
> chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
> security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
>
> "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
> since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb,
> 18,1998.
>
> "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
> U.S.
> Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
> appropriate,
> air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
> the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
> programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom
> Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
>
> "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
> destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
> has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi
> (D,
> CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
>
> "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
> destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton
> Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.
>
> "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons
> programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
> continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
> continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of
> a
> licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
> the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe
> Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001
>
> "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
> threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
> mandated
> of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
> means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
>
> "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
> weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
>
> "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
> deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is
> in
> power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
>
> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
> developing
> weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
>
> "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
> confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
> biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
> build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
> reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd
> (D,
> WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
>
> "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
> to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I b elieve
> that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
> real
> and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,
> 2002.
>
> "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
> aggressively
> to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
> next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
> the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
> destruction."
> Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.
>
> "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
> every
> significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
> chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
> refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.
>
> "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
> that
> Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons
> stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
> also
> given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
> members
> ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
> continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
> and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D,
> NY), Oct 10, 2002.
>
> "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
> Saddam
> Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
> the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob
> Graham
> (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.
>
> "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
> murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
> particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
> miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
> contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
> ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
> real
> ..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
>
> --
> Gary Wiltshire

How many of them started a war ? So yes bad judgment .

Bob Lewis

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