From: "Robert G Lewis" 

The illusion is now with the statements about how well things are going. We
were once considered a beacon of hope , Now how the hell can we tell anyone
that torture is wrong.

Bob Lewis

"Mark"  wrote in message
news:41e7612b{at}w3.nls.net...
> We lost jackshit, Bob, it was an illusion.
>
> "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message
> news:41e757d5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:41e74f0a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>> "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
>>> news:3rieu0phtjl8j0q7uapq5akck0gjb4qb87{at}4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:46 -0800, Jeff Shultz
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:55:20 -0600, John Cuccia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:30:07 -0500,
"Mark" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they just told us it was about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice to see you finally admit that the
Bushies are lying sacks
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How about all of them (note: lots prior to y2k)?
>>>>
>>>> They were all wrong; there's no disgrace in that
>>>>
>>>> The Bush people told us that we needed to go to war because of
>>>> Saddam's WMD capabilites.  Now they tell us that it wasn't
about WMD.
>>>> One of those statements is a lie.  They are liars.
>>>
>>> Yes the "Bush people" said that there were WMD and
they were wrong about
>>> the actual existence. That does not translate to a
"lie" which has been
>>> well established (though each time it is proven to you, you wait a few
>>> months and start up with the BS again and will go to your grave
>>> believing that they lied -- enjoy the trip).
>>>
>>> But the bigger picture remains that if a madman says he doesn't have
>>> WMD, do you believe him absent proof and cooperation?
Obviously, "you"
>>> do, but the rest of us are more prudent than that and remained so
>>> through 11/2... >> paraphrasing, "most people agree with the
democrats," I guess he doesn't
>>> have election day on his calendar>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Okay so its not a lie just very very bad judgment. That's supposed to
>> make me feel better ?
>>
>> Bigger picture is we have lost a lot of good will and cooperation. Those
>> opposing us have grown in number. Those who may have supported us won't.
>> Iraq as is currently stands is a drain on our resources. We should be
>> concentrating on Bin Laden etc.
>>
>>
>> Bob Lewis
>>
>>
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