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echo: indian_affairs
to: JIM CASTO
from: SONDRA BALL
date: 1997-07-04 15:23:00
subject: Re: BIASED TESTS

JC> SB> Actually, I suppose that's true.  Although I *thought* they measured
  > SB> the ablility of a person to learn,
JC> But isn't "learning" part of one's ability to "cope"? Plus, even if we 
re
  > measuring the ability to "learn", it is _still_ within a _specific_ 
culture
But only part.  And, also, there are different types of learning.  IQ
tests are supposed to measure the ability to learn academic type
material.  It does not measure the ability to learn to understand human
emotions, which may actually have greater survival value in the long
run.
JC> SB> which is not the same thing as
  > SB> ability to cope.  As a matter of fact, people who can't cope at all
  > SB> (because they are extremely schizophrenic, for example) may have very
  > SB> high IQs.
JC> But does that mean they have a high degree of "ability to learn"?
Sometimes schizophrenic people have an astonishing high ability to learn
academic material.
JC> SB> Actually, I'm not convinced that the average American is middle and
  > SB> upper class anymore;
JC> I guess we have to define "middle class". Income? (That would put my wife
  > and I in the ranks of the "poverty class".) Lifestyle? (Judging by the
  > neighborhood in which we live, that would put my wife and I in the upper-
  > middle class.) No, I think just by driving around, I can see that MOST of
  > the major Portland metropolitan area seems to be doing fairly well with
  > a few pockets of "not so good". This seems to be true of most of the 
ajor
  > areas (like Seattle, Los Angeles, Baltimore, etc.) that I have been to in
  > last few years.
I guess that's true in the suburban areas around here.  But most of the
residential sections of the cities I know in eastern Pennsylvania,
southern New Jersey, and northern Delaware are in the "not so good"
category.
JC> SB> age 6, and their IQs, as tested, at age 18.  There was not a high
  > SB> correlation between tested childhood IQ and adult IQ before age 12,
JC> I don't _ever_ remember taking an IQ test. But, I am reminded of a test I
  > took in about the fifth grade that was _supposed_ to indicate 
suitability
  > for an occupation" when we "grew up". The test said I should become a
  > social worker. 
I took a similar test as a teener.  It had me either intensely hating or
intensely liking almost every possible career track (which, by the way,
is actually true.  I tend to hate or to love many things.  Indifference
is rather foreign to me.)   Anyway, it suggested something like being a
writer or a forest ranger.
                     Sondra
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