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echo: philos
to: TODD HENSON
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-02-03 00:27:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

 >>> Todd Henson on "Existence Exists" 
 TH> Such paradoxes created by the human imagination and human
 TH> mathematical language have little to do with the actual state of true
 TH> infinity my man. 
All human imagination.  Just you show me some infinity.
 TH> True infinity is the state in which there is no
 TH> beginning and no end. Such rays are considered infinite because of the
 TH> fact that they have a start point and no matter how big of a number
 TH> you want to designate as the endpoint, the human imagination can
 TH> always add 1 to it, and so on. So, for practical purposes it is
 TH> considered infinite. However, what I am concerned with is not
 TH> "practical" infinity. 
Consider a ray to the right and another ray to the left.  Put these two rays 
together at their beginnings and you have a line, without beginning nor end.
 TH> Such conditions, like the ray scenario, arise because we are limited
 TH> human beings, finite in our existence, scope, awareness, and linear in
 TH> our existence, and we are trying to use our linear finite imagination
 TH> to describe the infinite. 
Oh, so you admit that you can show me no infinity.  Must I imagine an 
infinite something that is what we are discussing?
 TH> The infinite is not of our nature, so such
 TH> scenarios as you have described are more the result of our
 TH> limitations, and not on the actual existence of so called "half
 TH> infinities" as you have tried to prove.
You're right, the eternity of heaven and hell and infinite divinities are 
just our imagination.
 TH> ... Would a Hindu dentist transcend dental medication?
... Alas, immortality is not biodegradable.
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