On 09/02/2021 09:35, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2021-02-09, Adrian Caspersz  wrote:
>> On 08/02/2021 19:45, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>> On 2021-02-08, Adrian Caspersz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Even this program (thunderbird) has that. If you run it, you will notice
>>>> T&C's to be agreed.
>>>
>>> Just fired up thunderbird for the first time on Linux desktop and
>>> there were no T&C's to be confirmed.

Ok, I goofed.

>>>
>>
>> When it crashes for the first time, you'll be be asked to confirm if you
>> would like to submit developer logs.
>
> You are at least asked! I think Firefox does the same. >
> I noticed that thunderbird (v68) displays
>
>   
https://live.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/start?locale=en-US&version=68.11.0&cha
nnel=default&os=Linux&buildid=20200721201500
>
> which of course gives them a heads up to the fact you have fired up
> thunderbird, and some extra info. - version, locale, OS, build and maybe
> (I assume) that it a debian build. I'd prefer to be asked before loading
> and displaying something from outside my box.

OK.

There is a lot more. If you open up "about:telemetry" in either firefox
or thunderbird (via Help->Troubleshooting Information, look for
telemetry data), you can openly see the depth of their data collection.

Actually, I'm somewhat bowled over how much detail is in the
troubleshooting information screen for Thunderbird, which surely must
make it easy for their developers to identify problems. Why wouldn't you
give them that ability?

If you, say, have issues with identifying Linux audio cards - it may be
an easy place to look!!!

>
> In preferences I didn't find anything to stop html emails loading remote
> content - the main way of tracking if you've read that commercial email
> you received. However, it appears that thunderbird does do the right thing
there see
>
>    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/remote-content-in-messages
>
> "Remote Content in Messages
>
> Email messages can contain remote content such as images or stylesheets.
> To protect your privacy, Thunderbird does not load remote content
> automatically, but instead shows a notification bar to indicate that it
> blocked remote content."

Most other HTML mail clients do the same thing.

However, the original accusation is that a company that makes
'connected' applications, is doing it solely for nefarious reasons. I'm
not really much sold on that.

> Thanks for making me look more at thunderbird; but I'll stick to my
> text only MUA.
No worries.

--
Adrian C

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