JM> Bob Klahn -> Tim Richardson wrote:
 BK>> ..

 TR>>> Um.........don't look now, Danny boy, but a simple typing
 TR>>> of Julia Duin's name into your favorite net search engine
 TR>>> would tell you that Julia Duin is an assistant national
 TR>>> editor for The Washington Times.

 BK>>  Point that out to John Massey. Then tell him it's his
 BK>>  responsibility to find the material, not the authors to lead him
 BK>>  to it.

 BK>>  Oh, wait, I did give him the link. AAMOF I agree, it is *YOUR*
 BK>>  responsibility to source your material, as I did to John. It
 BK>>  only became his responsibility when I did source it.

 BK>>  So, he failed to make the effort to read the source, and you
 BK>>  failed to provide your source.

 JM> Well that is another lie you have told.  I read the source
 JM> and nothing in it backed your claim.

 What in this can't you see? Where is there anything that says
 McCain told the truth? It clearly shows his explanation was
 blatantly false and self serving.

 You are caught in another lie.

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snipurl.com/mccrash

  Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator

 Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to
 question or fault his judgment. By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard
 A. Serrano Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

 October 6, 2008

 John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast
 Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay
 and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

 McCain recounted the accident decades later in his
 autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing
 landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval
 Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 *FOR THE RECORD:*
 McCain's aviation record: An article in Monday's Section A about
 Republican presidential nominee John McCain's record as a naval
 aviator quoted Jeremiah Pearson and said he had been a Navy
 officer who flew 400 missions over Vietnam. Pearson was an
 officer in the Marines. ?
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------


 The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and
 erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level
 flight in a turn," investigators concluded.

 The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in
 which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned
 by Navy officials.

 ----------------------------------------------------------------

 Snipurl.com/crashcheck

 *Q:*

 Did McCain crash five planes? Did he cause the 1967 Forrestal
 fire? Is the information below true? I have heard that McCain
 crashed five planes. In searching the web I found this
 information. It was located at [DELETED]

 Thank you for more information.

 *A:*

 /Update, Oct. 12: We have further updated this article to
 include details from newly released Navy records of an
 investigation that found McCain's first crash was due to pilot
 error, and not, as McCain has stated, an engine failure. The
 L.A. Times story also pinpointed the dates of early incidents
 more closely, and we have rewritten and re-ordered some sections
 to reflect this new information.

 Update, Sept 19: This item was originally posted Sept. 5, 2008.
 We have updated it to include additional details of the 1967
 Forrestal disaster from official documents, which differ from
 McCain's own, widely accepted recollection. We have also
 included McCain's admission of "daredevil clowning" in an
 accident that did not result in loss of his plane./

 ...

 A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of
 a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the
 aircraft. McCain admitted to causing that incident through
 "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.

 ...

 *First Crash, March 12, 1960:* This took place while McCain, a
 young, unmarried officer not long out of the Naval Academy, was
 in advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. Timberg
 and McCain both give the cause as engine failure, but a Navy
 investigation blamed McCain's inattention to altitude.

    * McCain, 1999 (pp155-156):* I crashed a plane in Corpus Christi Bay
    one Saturday morning. The engine quit while I was practicing
    landings. ... I barely managed to get the canopy open and swim to
    the surface. ... I took a few painkillers and hit the sack to rest
    my aching back for a few hours. ... I was out carousing, injured
    back and all, later that evening.

 Timberg's account agrees, but Navy records do not. According to
 a Naval Aviation Safety Center report, obtained by the
 investigators determined that the engine did not quit, and
 McCain was to blame:* *

    *Los Angeles Times, Oct. 6, 2008:* Cockpit instruments that froze on
    impact showed the engine was still producing power. When water
    quenched the exhaust stack, it preserved a bright blue color,
    showing that the engine was still hot. And an aviator behind McCain
    reported that the engine was producing the black smoke
    characteristic of Skyraiders.

    Investigators determined that McCain was watching instruments in his
    cockpit that indicated the position of his landing gear and had lost
    track of his altitude and speed.

    The report concluded: "In the opinion of the board, the pilot's
    preoccupation in the cockpit . . . coupled with the use of a power
    setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn were the primary
    causes of this accident."

 ...


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