BK>>>>  Point one: Since when do you have to maintain any airspeed to
 BK>>>>  keep an engine from stalling?

 JM>>> I agree.

 BK>>>>  Point two: Your explanation still makes it pilot error.

 JM>>> Lots of things that may be mechanical get charge off as
 JM>>> pilot error. Even if it was Pilot error, that doesn't mean
 JM>>> the pilot lied. Nothing you have presented here shows any
 JM>>> different. You have failed,(no big surprise) to support
 JM>>> your claim.

 BK>>  You have failed to seek the truth. (no big surprise). Read the
 BK>>  article.

 BK>>  www.snipurl.com/mccrash

 JM> There is nothing in the article that even remotely shows
 JM> McCain lied.

 It clearly shows McCain's statement was false. And, since he was
 there flying the plane, either he knew the engine had not quit,
 or he was the most incompetent pilot ever to survive 4 aircraft
 accidents and one shoot down.

 JM> I'll wait for you to present something or just accept your
 JM> failure to do so as evidence that you lied.

 If you had suggested I might be in error you would not be guilty
 of bearing false witness. However, as you can see below, McCain
 claimed his engine quit. It didn't. The investigation showed,
 both by physical evidence and witness testimony, that the engine
 was still running at time of impact.

 You said you read it. Were you incapable of understanding it? Or
 did *YOU* lie?

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snipurl.com/mccrash

  Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator

 Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to
 question or fault his judgment. By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard
 A. Serrano Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

 October 6, 2008

 John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast
 Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay
 and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

 McCain recounted the accident decades later in his
 autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing
 landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval
 Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

 ...

 Snipurl.com/crashcheck

 */Update, Oct. 12: We have further updated this article to
 include details from newly released Navy records of an
 investigation that found McCain's first crash was due to pilot
 error, and not, as McCain has stated, an engine failure. The
 L.A. Times story also pinpointed the dates of early incidents
 more closely, and we have rewritten and re-ordered some sections
 to reflect this new information.

 ...

    * McCain, 1999 (pp155-156):* I crashed a plane in Corpus Christi Bay
    one Saturday morning. The engine quit while I was practicing
    landings. ... I barely managed to get the canopy open and swim to
    the surface. ... I took a few painkillers and hit the sack to rest
    my aching back for a few hours. ... I was out carousing, injured
    back and all, later that evening.

 Timberg's account agrees, but Navy records do not. According to
 a Naval Aviation Safety Center report, obtained by the
 investigators determined that the engine did not quit, and
 McCain was to blame:* *

    *Los Angeles Times, Oct. 6, 2008:* Cockpit instruments that froze on
    impact showed the engine was still producing power. When water
    quenched the exhaust stack, it preserved a bright blue color,
    showing that the engine was still hot. And an aviator behind McCain
    reported that the engine was producing the black smoke
    characteristic of Skyraiders.

    Investigators determined that McCain was watching instruments in his
    cockpit that indicated the position of his landing gear and had lost
    track of his altitude and speed.

    The report concluded: "In the opinion of the board, the pilot's
    preoccupation in the cockpit . . . coupled with the use of a power
    setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn were the primary
    causes of this accident."

 ...

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