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echo: philos
to: FRANK MASINGILL
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-02-02 23:15:00
subject: Death Penalty

 -=> Quoting Frank Masingill to All <=-
 FM> Here we now have the embarrassing situation of a serial killer who
 FM> deliberately sent bombs through the mail intended to blow people away. 
 FM> As of now, he evidently is NOT going to a mental hospital for
 FM> confinement there and is not going to suffer the death penality but
 FM> will receive imprisonment for life.
He deserves to be executed.  But, this resolution is
acceptable.  It saves us from a trial and many years of
expensive appeals.  And, if he were black, it saves us
from the risk of the jury setting him free.
 FM> At the same time we now have a woman in Texas convicted of a
 FM> heinous crime and admitting that she did it but asking for clemency
 FM> because she has undergone a conversion.
She should be executed.  I'm sure she's now a nice enough
person, but that's irrelevant.  If she is a Christian, she
is prepared to die.
 FM> I'm not taking a position in either of these specific cases.
Both cases would be less of a problem if executions were
swift.
 FG> What
 FM> I AM doing is pointing to the interesting societal attitude that
 FM> hesitates somewhat to inflict the ultimate "punishment" of the finality
 FM> of taking of life (which cannot be reversed) but doesn't seem to care
 FM> much that the murderer (please, let's agree to drop the romantic term
 FM> "Unabomber") who is male is to have HIS life spared seemingly in
 FM> deference to a justly bereaved family who love him just as many
 FM> candidates for the death penalty have loving families.
Are you trying to suggest that the difference between your
two examples is one person is on death row because of sex,
while the other one isn't on death row because of sex?
 FM> My own personal opinion (FWIW) is that I am against the death
 FM> penality for many reasons, not the least of which is that it requires
 FM> society to act with finality in so many instances where we don't really
 FM> know the guilt or innocence but my attitude is not likely to have much
 FM> weight one way or the other in what happens in the various
 FM> jurisdictions.
People who oppose the death penalty must have a very low
respect for life.  After all, they're more concerned for
the life of the killer than the killed.
 FM> I doubt that anybody would argue that this final
 FM> penalty is evenly enforced.
Irrelevant, just as long as the people who are executed deserve
it.  But, you're right.  Blacks commit more murders, more
violently, and have longer criminal records than whites, yet
blacks are just barely a majority on death row.  Consider,
if OJ were white and the races of the other players were
reversed, the public would not have tolerated the verdict.
Heck, no white jury would have freed such an obviously
guilty white man.
 FM> One thing it has come NOT TO BE and that is swift justice
 FM> according to speedy trial and execution of penalties.  These cases
 FM> normally drag through years and years of judicial process, often
 FM> depending on the financial resources of the convicted felon.
Sob, sob!  Executions aren't swift because of all the
actions the convicted murderer makes to avoid being
executed.  And, he has so much room because of liberals
who want to give the convicted murderer every chance to
delay execution and suck money from the taxpayers.
 FM> Serial killers will surely try to negotiate for a position similar
 FM> to that of Kazinsky (sp?) in the future and who could blame them.  We
 FM> still await the decision in Texas but the bet that her execution will
 FM> be stayed for any length of time is not a good one.
We can always hope that serial killers end up dead, like that fag
Cunanon who killed himself before the expense of a trial.  Or, at
least after trial like that fag Dalmer who was executed by an
inmate.
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