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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Ellen K.
date: 2007-02-12 10:14:58
subject: Re: Sh1t a brick. Well, almost ...

From: Ellen K. 

Common sense would require extra screening of male Muslims under 45.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:50:29 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message :

>I'd rather the screening process use a bit of common sense. If  overcaution
>is so desirable why do the screeners fail any test of security?
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11863165/
>
>21 airports nationwide don't detect bomb-making materials
>In all 21 airports tested, no machine, no swab, no screener anywhere stopped
>the bomb materials from getting through. Even when investigators
>deliberately triggered extra screening of bags, no one discovered the
>materials.
>
>
>"Ellen K."  wrote in message
>news:jd2ts216643rjm1ipqh7eka3n7n24lo7p1{at}4ax.com...
>>I recently traveled to Chicago and New Jersey.  The air travel security
>> level was raised to orange the day I left.   Leaving O'Hare for Newark I
>> was wearing a zip-front top, the screener asked me to remove my
>> "jacket".  I explained that it wasn't a jacket but the
only piece of
>> outerwear on my upper body, so he directed me to another area where a
>> female screener would pat me down.  The female screener asked whether I
>> had ever been patted down before, I said no, she explained what she was
>> going to do and then did it.  I can't say either of them were anything
>> but polite and sincere about doing their job.  I would much rather the
>> screeners err on the side of overcaution than the opposite.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:44:32 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"
>>  wrote in message
:
>>
>>>
>>>"Don Hills"  wrote
in message
>>>news:ukEyFtgaXCEH092yn{at}attglobal.net...
>>>> In article ,
>>>> "Phil Payne"
 wrote:
>>>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/05/immigration_search/
>>>>>
>>>>>Another eye-watering reason not to visit the USA. 
Could be an effective
>>>>>was
>>>>>to keep terrorists out.
>>>>>
>>>>>And everybody else.
>>>>
>>>> In the same vein:
>>>>
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3480/features/7909/search_and_seizure.html
>>>>
>>>> Like she says, avoid transiting the USA. I know you've
long advocated
>>>> this.
>>>> I've also pointed out that our national airline is buying
Boeing's new
>>>> dreamliners to expand their new route to London, via Hong Kong.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>>The airport screeners in this country appear to abuse everyone equally
>>>including Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. The screeners are both
>>>ill-trained and ill-mannered
>>>
>>>http://www.snopes.com/military/medal.htm
>>>
>>> "They just kept passing it around there were eight or
nine or ten of them
>>>who handled it before it was over," he said.
>>>"They had found it in my pocket at the airport, and they
thought it was
>>>suspicious. It's shaped like a star, and they were looking at the metal
>>>edges of it, like it was a weapon. I asked for it back, but they kept
>>>handing it to each other and inspecting it. I was told to move to a
>>>separate
>>>area.
>>>
>>>"I told them - just turn it over. The engraving on the back explains
>>>everything. But they thought they must have something potentially
>>>dangerous
>>>here.
>>>
>>>"I told them exactly what it was - I said, 'That's my
Congressional Medal
>>>of
>>>Honor.'"
>>>
>>>The man relating that story was retired Gen. Joe Foss, 86. His experience
>>>last month in Arizona at the international airport in Phoenix -
may be the
>>>ultimate symbol of the out-of-kilter times we are going
through. We are so
>>>afraid of terrorists in our midst that what happened to Foss is not only
>>>believable, but perhaps even inevitable:
>>>
>>>The Congressional Medal of Honor will be taken from its recipient because
>>>it
>>>looks vaguely ominous.
>>>
>>>And now, almost 60 years later, the Medal of Honor was being handed from
>>>one
>>>skeptical security screener to another in the Phoenix airport,
while Foss,
>>>at 86, took his boots and belt off as ordered.
>>>
>>>---------
>>>
>>>We shouldn't fault airport security officers for not recognizing a Medal
>>>of
>>>Honor on sight; not many people get to see one in their lives. But a
>>>closer
>>>examination by security personnel would have shown them what it was, and
>>>at
>>>that point in the proceedings they fell down on the job. Rather than
>>>treating an obviously cooperative passenger courteously and allowing him
>>>to
>>>explain what the suspect item was, they shuffled the general back and
>>>forth
>>>and required him to remove his boots, belt, hat, and tie - several times
>>>each. The delay they subjected him to almost caused him to miss his
>>>flight.
>>>That is no way to treat any 86-year-old man, let alone a war hero and
>>>former
>>>governor.
>>>
>>
>

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