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Tim Tyler wrote: > I observe that there are some simple factual errors in: > ''The Information Challenge'' > http://www.world-of-dawkins.com/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1998-12-04in > fochallange.s$ > The above will likely trigger the s.b.e long URL bug - so: > http://tinyurl.com/4eqbh >snip< > ``natural selection feeds information into gene pools'' > ...are also not correct - for the same reason: natural > selection usually eliminates information from gene pools - > by destroying individuals that carry it. JE:- Dawkins: " ..the whole gene pool of the species as a whole, not the genome of any particular individual, which is best seen as the recipient of the ancestral information about how to survive. Dawkins' argument remains classically group selective based on Hamilton's rule: rb > c Here organism recipients (plural) and not just one organism recipient may benefit from the supposed donation of b within the rule. In the science of biology information is only fed into _strictly_, independently selected genomes and not into "gene pools". Dawkins has misused an additive gene pool model. The irony remains that Hamilton's rule, which was employed to replace classical group selection over 50 years ago, was itself group selective when more than one recipient is involved which is most of the time. > TT:- > This area is critical point in the essay. Dawkins apparently gives > completely the wrong answer to the question his essay is addressing. > Dawkins stated position appears to be not remotely defensible - > it is completely mistaken - he totally reverses the roles of > mutation and natural selection, as far as their effect on > information content of genomes is concerned. > It appears that St Richard is fallible after all ;-) JE:- Dawkins reversed cause and effect within the science of biology via a consistent misuse of Hamilton's rule. The sociobiologists have done same thing where such an event represents a gross error within the science of biology. I have argued that this has been the case for over four years in sbe discussion. Independently selectable "selfish genes" do _not_ cause organism fitness altruism within nature reducing bodies to mere, "gene containers". Dependently selected genomic genes are all selected at a single Darwinian fertile organism level of selection within each independently selected fertile form. Genes are slaves to organisms, organisms are not slaves to genes. Of course naturalists of the older school have always understood that this was (obviously) the case. Hamilton's misuse of his own rule can be traced back to R. A. Fisher, one of the founding fathers of modern population genetics. His view that only additive genetic associations constitute heritable and thus selectable information could never apply to gene fitness epistasis. Additive population genetic models of heritability were misused when they were employed, without any evidence, to gene _fitness_ epistasis. While additive heritable events have been documented, e.g. polygenes, no polygenetic genomic gene fitness has ever been documented within nature. Thus all genomic genes are dependently selected and not independently selected. Hamilton's view that genes can be independently selected at their own level in competition to an organism level of selection only constituted a model heuristic that has been consistently misused by gene centric Neo Darwinism. This view entirely dominates evolutionary theory. The level of selection each gene remains dependent on is just a SINGLE level: the Darwinian fertile organism level of selection. It can be shown that only this level provides a testable fitness maximand, i.e. a objective (measurable) total, maximal fitness that can be tested to refutation meeting a _minimal_ Popperian standard for the sciences. Regards, John Edser Independent Researcher PO Box 266 Church Pt NSW 2105 Australia edser{at}tpg.com.au --- þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com --- * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 8/16/04 1:26:05 PM* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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