On 02-24-09, DAN CEPPA said to TIM RICHARDSON:


DC>One of the "minor" problems you have is that some 70% of
those terrorists
DC>were not terrorists.


TR> What were they...Fuller Brush salesmen? Or the Culligan Man!


DC>They were detained in wide sweeps without supporting evidence.


A person or persons swept up in an area full of hostiles, usually with a
weapon or weapons in their possession, or a cache of weapons near at hand,
gets taken into custody.


What their connection is or is not to a cache of weapons is determined later.
The heat of combat is no time to be doing investigating into someone's
connections or lack thereof to a cache of firearms, or bomb-making materials.


DC>They may be now, thanks to W's mistreatment of them.


Thats hogwash. Bush's `mistreatment' of them had nothing to do with it. Not
only that...the mis-treatment was punished when it was brought to light. I
believe even a general was disciplined. On an EM level, being disciplined for
such a thing might not be too serious except for the next few years of your
career. But for a general....it would be a career-ending situation.


When what we do to terrorists equals cutting someone's head off with a sword,
get back to me. And don't go off on all that high-horse crapola you spouted at
a few others here about `being above that' and all that other horseshit. I've
read some of your posts to people on  other Fido shores, and you wrapped that
`we're above that' blanket around yourself here because its convient for you
right now. But I know, and so do many others, that you don't really believe
that stuff at all.



DC>I never claimed that.  My statement was the W's policies were Al Qaeda's
DC>Madison Ad campaign.


Thats crap. Who do you think the individuals were that flew the planes into
the World Trade Center, Santa's elves?


They were Al Qaeda.


DC>----------------
DC>Rohan Gunaratna is Head of the International Center for Political Violence
DC>and Terrorism Research, Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies,
DC>Singapore, and Senior Fellow at Combating Terrorism Center, United States
DC>Military Academy at West Point.


Thats nice. A nice big title of a `get-Bush-in-any-way-at-all' outfit that
caters to the leftist hatred of all things connected to Bush.


TR> This country's failure to deal directly and with great prejudice, with
TR> the terrorists who were murdering and kidnapping Americans, and the
TR> countries from which they come, is one of the direct causes that led to
TR> the 9\11 disaster.


DC>This country failed to deal with the problems it helped create which
DC>created the terrorists.


The one thing this country did that reverberated down the years to the
situation we are now in with regard to the Middle East, was to give
recognition to the newly created state of Israel back in the late forties.


That single act alone led to the ever-increasing hatred, and subsequent
violence against the persons of American citizens we have experienced over the
years.


And our support of Israel, in both money and equipment, over the years since
has led to the situation we are in today with al Qaeda.


And Israel has repaid us by:


1. Committing acts of espionage against us.


2. Attacking one of our electronics monitoring naval vessels, killing many
U.S. Sailors.


3. Encouraging their fellow travelers in the United States Congress to propose
and get passed legislation that directly benefits Israel, and also furthers
the cause of Israel's continuing disruption of the Middle East.


4. Recieving money in direct aid from the U.S. which they have `never' paid
back.


5. Stealing both military secrets and nuclear materials from the U.S., an act
for which we would no doubt have bombed another Middle Eastern nation.


6. Promoting, and encouraging PR campaigns to cause anyone who dares to raise
a protest of all this, or who utters certain words or phrases, to be branded
an `anti-semite', with the express intent to intimidate into silence any and
all who would dare raise criticism of Israel or any act it commits.


And don't look now, pal, but there has been about the same number of
presidents of *both* parties since WWII. In other words, *your* side had just
as much chance to `fix' it as the other side did. Actually there were more
democrats than republicans, not to mention the vast number of years the
democrats held control of both houses of Congress. So stay off that high horse
of yours. It doesn't play.


By the way..........you now have a democrat president, and a solid majority of
the president's party in both houses of Congress. So go for it! I expect all
the Middle East problems will be completely solved soon, what with such a
brain trust now running the country. A nice start would be to have Hussein
turn all the prisoners in Gitmo loose. Put them all on planes and fly them
back where they were picked up. Take them to the exact spots where each were
first seized, and release them. That way they can go on doing their laundry,
or selling mellons at the market, or continue that Muslim version of Sunday
School they were teaching, or whatever else they were lawfully engaged in when
those mean, bad old American soldiers came along and just swept their innocent
ass's up, for absolutely no reason whatsoever!.


DC>The US has spent far too much time propping up tin pot dictators in its
DC>quest for stasble oil supplies.  W's "the Iraqi oil will pay for
the war"
DC>is one such example.


So far as I know, the US has gotten very little oil from Iraq.


DC>All W has done is destabilize the region and placed Iran into a lead role.


Thats crap. The region has been unstable since the days of the beginning of
the state of Israel. There has been war in that region since the time I was a
little boy, back in the forties of last century.


DC>Instead of checking Iran, he removed the major buffer in the area.  Though
DC>not liked by his neighbors, Iraq actually helped maintain the unsteady
DC>peace.


Every president we've had since Roosevelt minor has made the mistake of mixing
America in things that are really none of our business.


The biggest problem America has had since about the first World War, is the
American government's notion that it has to `spread democracy through the
whole world'.


Without regard to whether or not much of the rest of the world wants what
American politicians call `democracy' in their lives.


And where we are today is as much because of that arrogance of `we have the
best system ever' than anything else.


George W. Bush is just a small part of what was begun probably before he was
even born. His only connection to it is, he was unlucky enough to get elected
president just as the terrorists, who have been murdering Americans for
decades before he even came on the national scene, finally figured out the
Mother of all terrorist acts to commit against America, and it came off within
months of his taking office.


Had AlGore gotten into the White House, the act would still have gone forward.
It was already in motion when the new president took office in 2001,
regardless of whether it was Gore or Bush. It was going to happen. Get over
it!






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