>I remember a case in Germany where a man tried to steal from a supermarket and
>his response to "Hands up! Police!" was to pull a short black pvc pipe out of
>his jacket. He got shot, which technically means they shot an unarmed man.
>Legally, it was in self-defense, because the officer had reason to believe
that
>the  pipe was the barrel of a gun, even if it later turned out not to be.

They usually side with the police here, too, unless you are in Chicago or
some other mamby-pamby city.

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