Andre Lieven wrote:
> Mark Sobolewski (mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com) writes:

> > There is something to be said for the situation: She's
> > desperate and for men who may not be "grade A" material,
> > it's a bargain market.  He would have to be careful
> > just like anytime you pick up discarded goods, but
> > the potential is there.
>
> Of course. The thing to bear in mind, in such a situation,
> is that the other, who might feel they are " settling ", might
> later on, act on that feeling. Hello, divorce.

But we're talking about women here, yes? :-)  Women have
feelings that often have little to do with their actions later.

Going back in time, if I was to marry one of the career
women I dated, I would have required her to put the
property in my name and deposit all of the funds
into an account I control.  Would that make you
feel safe?

Yes, it sounds pretty incredible, doesn't it?  Especially
when these women CRAVED men to take them out
and pay for dinner.  But that's just it: As long as the man
handles the money, even if they earn it, they get
their "feelings" of traditionalism satisfied.  On the contrary,
a man putting them in their place probably makes
them happy more than anything...

There's gold in them there dumpsters...

> Indeed. As one commentator said it, why does anyone need to
> " find themselves " at 30 or 40 ? Couldn't they have gotten that
> done while in college ?

Not necessarily.

In the states, at least, college really doesn't allow the personal
and academic freedom it used to NOR does it educate about
the world they'll be facing later.

> >> > He has to be willing to compromise.  Fortunately, he's in a good
> >> > position demographically.  He can have sex with a lot of these
> >> > independant women he may meet through bars, dances,
> >> > museum openings, etc. and provided he wears a condom,
> >> > be somewhat emotionally safe.  OR... he can date 40 year old
> >> > divorcees who have grown children.  They are out there.
> >>
> >> Sure. Based on what he said, though, he'd do better by avoiding
> >> women who have set their own life patterns such that no man can
> >> fit in with her.
> >
> > In some ways, as I said, this may be good because he'll be safe.
> > They won't try to cling to him.  You know what "Chef" says
> > about prostitutes being paid for...
>
> Indeed, or Charlie Sheen explaining that he doesn't pay women
> to have sex with him, he pays them so that, afterwards, they'll...
> go home.
>
> But, if a woman at 35 or 40, is so set in her life patterns,
> most guys will find that the best status they can find with
> such a female, is to be accessory number 17.
>
> >> Believe me, I've seen this syndrome, up close...
> >>
> >> > He's JUST old enough that there are some women his age
> >> > ready to be grandmothers.  That sounds icky, but he gets
> >> > the best of both worlds as he would describe it:
> >> > Women who aren't too independant but at the same time
> >> > don't want more children.
> >>
> >> Exactly, and thats the key: Women who aren't too independent.
> >>
> >> > There are also women who are sterile and open about the fact.
> >>
> >> As long as they're not that too independent...
> >
> > It may not be their fault.  Some women just have that
> > problem.  I saw a personal ad 4 years ago from such a woman
> > and she appeared quite pleasant but I'm planning to have
> > a family.
>
> Sure, theres no moral issue or judgement in finding that two
> people just have... different needs and abilities. Its when
> some long term deception is added into that mix, that immorality
> enters into it.
>
> >> > They would welcome a man such as him that wants the
> >> > companionship of a woman but doesn't want children.
> >>
> >> Yes, that could work. See my aboves...  
>
> Andre
>
> --
> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.



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