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from: George Sherwood
date: 2007-02-25 23:34:52
subject: Re: 787 Rolls on

From: George Sherwood 

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:38:40 +0000, Adam wrote:

>
> B) I do think they will make a profit because there are simply going to
> be more people flying. Since 1990 in effect the capitalist liberal
> economies have grown to include China, India & Russia (& others e.g.
> Vietnam, some African countries etc.etc.).
>
> There also is a great transfer of cash going on from the rich countries
> to those with oil.

Not enough to make this come true.  Russia's population is going backwards
and most of the money is going to line pockets.  For ordinary people their
lives are only getting marginally better.  Not looking for international
travel anytime soon.  Africa?  You have got to be kidding me.  Nigeria is a
disaster.

Not saying you are completely wrong, but I still think the model in these
countries fits a large airliner like the 787 and not a jumbo like the 380. 
We will see.


>
> That's a lot of people.
>
> Frankly I think the 380 would be ideal for Chinese inter-city routes.
>
> & they already have a factory in the PRC.
>
Not anytime in the foreseeable future.  The airport infrastructure isn't
any where close.  You can come up with all these wouldn't it be great
ideas, but as they say, an idea that isn't based on reality is a
hallucination.


>> Probably close to
>> double that now.  Although lately EADS is seeming more like a state
>> concern that doesn't care about profit then a real company.
>
> & Boeing isn't?

Not nearly in the same way.  EADS can't even complete a reorganization due
to its entanglements with the states.  I have never seen the US government
stop Boeing from hiring, firing and closing factories. Congress may make
some noise if it is in their district, but EADS is at all full stop. 
Whatever decision comes out will not be driven by what is best for the
company.

>>
>>> &....has this dreamliner flown yet? So any/many delays? No reason to
>>> think it will break the golden rule of new aircraft designs
& that as
>>> such it will be on time.
>>
>> Ready to start a pool?  I bet not half as late as the 380 and most
>> likely going to be within six months of the target date.
>>
>>
> Well it is a much simpler aircraft.
>
> A 737 for the new millenium.

Wow! You really haven't studied much about the 787 have you?  The
technology involved is very advanced.  From a technology point of view, the
A-380 is only big.  Very little completely new.  The materials on the 787
are very advanced.  This is what drove EADS to redesign the A-350. It was
going to look very old fashioned compared to the 787.

George

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