(mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com) writes:
> Andre Lieven wrote:
>> Mark Sobolewski (mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com) writes:
>
>> > There is something to be said for the situation: She's
>> > desperate and for men who may not be "grade A" material,
>> > it's a bargain market.  He would have to be careful
>> > just like anytime you pick up discarded goods, but
>> > the potential is there.
>>
>> Of course. The thing to bear in mind, in such a situation,
>> is that the other, who might feel they are " settling ", might
>> later on, act on that feeling. Hello, divorce.
>
> But we're talking about women here, yes? :-)  Women have
> feelings that often have little to do with their actions later.

Indeed, and I acknowledged that, by my comment about divorces
later. In one did think well ahead, one would not marry a
person one had to " settle " for.

> Going back in time, if I was to marry one of the career
> women I dated, I would have required her to put the
> property in my name and deposit all of the funds
> into an account I control.  Would that make you
> feel safe?

No. See " Family Court & Law ". It invalidates, legally, such
maneouvers.

> Yes, it sounds pretty incredible, doesn't it?  Especially
> when these women CRAVED men to take them out
> and pay for dinner.  But that's just it: As long as the man
> handles the money, even if they earn it, they get
> their "feelings" of traditionalism satisfied.  On the contrary,
> a man putting them in their place probably makes
> them happy more than anything...

Indeed. Many modern women cannot respect a man that they can
get, and cannot get any man they might be able to respect.
Ergo, settling. Ergo, many divorces, 70+% chosen by the women.

> There's gold in them there dumpsters...

Stinky gold. 

>> Indeed. As one commentator said it, why does anyone need to
>> " find themselves " at 30 or 40 ? Couldn't they have gotten that
>> done while in college ?
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> In the states, at least, college really doesn't allow the personal
> and academic freedom it used to NOR does it educate about
> the world they'll be facing later.

OK, but theres still time to gaze at one' navel then. Thats when
that sort of thing ought to be done. By anyone.

Though, I could also word that as " when at collage age ".

>> >> > He has to be willing to compromise.  Fortunately,
he's in a good
>> >> > position demographically.  He can have sex with a lot of these
>> >> > independant women he may meet through bars, dances,
>> >> > museum openings, etc. and provided he wears a condom,
>> >> > be somewhat emotionally safe.  OR... he can date 40 year old
>> >> > divorcees who have grown children.  They are out there.
>> >>
>> >> Sure. Based on what he said, though, he'd do better by avoiding
>> >> women who have set their own life patterns such that no man can
>> >> fit in with her.
>> >
>> > In some ways, as I said, this may be good because he'll be safe.
>> > They won't try to cling to him.  You know what "Chef" says
>> > about prostitutes being paid for...
>>
>> Indeed, or Charlie Sheen explaining that he doesn't pay women
>> to have sex with him, he pays them so that, afterwards, they'll...
>> go home.
>>
>> But, if a woman at 35 or 40, is so set in her life patterns,
>> most guys will find that the best status they can find with
>> such a female, is to be accessory number 17.
>>
>> >> Believe me, I've seen this syndrome, up close...
>> >>
>> >> > He's JUST old enough that there are some women his age
>> >> > ready to be grandmothers.  That sounds icky, but he gets
>> >> > the best of both worlds as he would describe it:
>> >> > Women who aren't too independant but at the same time
>> >> > don't want more children.
>> >>
>> >> Exactly, and thats the key: Women who aren't too independent.
>> >>
>> >> > There are also women who are sterile and open about the fact.
>> >>
>> >> As long as they're not that too independent...
>> >
>> > It may not be their fault.  Some women just have that
>> > problem.  I saw a personal ad 4 years ago from such a woman
>> > and she appeared quite pleasant but I'm planning to have
>> > a family.
>>
>> Sure, theres no moral issue or judgement in finding that two
>> people just have... different needs and abilities. Its when
>> some long term deception is added into that mix, that immorality
>> enters into it.
>>
>> >> > They would welcome a man such as him that wants the
>> >> > companionship of a woman but doesn't want children.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, that could work. See my aboves...  

Andre
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" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
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